Mini #534 - Vegetable Mafia (Game Over!)

[destructor]

Vote: ryan

[Oman]

YAY CRUB COW. Btw, did you see hasdkahgjrkjhayradfh actually stole your avatar?

[Crub]

YAY CRUB COW. Btw, did you see hasdkahgjrkjhayradfh actually stole your avatar?

No. That is not right

[Y]

Cool I hope this makes me the opportunistic 3rd vote?

vote:ryan

Vote Crub

. You actually did get the third vote. The way you joke about it seems like a way to get people attention off it. Like hiding in plain sight.

[Phate]

Personally, I'd be more worried about destructor than Crub. If putting someone at L-4 is opportunistic, what of putting them at L-3?

[soupfly]

Umm, how is a self bandwagon any less good than one the vote-ee is not on?

When you vote for yourself and ask others to vote for you, we learn very little about you or the people voting for you, other than you are a strange goofball. Maybe we might learn about people voting for you if they go nuts and quickly put you at L-2 or something, but compared to simple random-voting to test other people's reactions, a self-bandwagon is completely useless and probably counterproductive for the town.

self wagons don't apply any bit of pressure. its like sticking a gun to your own head...what's the point.

Done correctly a random wagon can apply pressure. this would be akin to pointing an empty gun at someone else's head, so long as they don't know its not loaded!

NORTHJAYHAWK NEEDS A BANDWAGON, HE WANT ONE!

Are you intentionally trying to act like a jester?

I agree with ryan here. Oman's play makes no sense. He's usually a pretty reasonable and pro-town guy so the only sense i can make of his antics is if he's a jester cause he's definitely not playing like he usually plays townie roles.

In any case I still think destructor is scum...anybody else see it too?

confirm vote: destructor

[destructor]

So that's not random? Cool.

[destructor]

Actually, wait, what the hell? That's not cool. Why are you voting for me?

[ryan]

Vote: ryan

The same question could be asked of why you're voting me

[destructor]

I think you're over-reacting to that.

[ryan]

I think you're over-reacting to that.

No, I'm actually asking the same question as you were.

[Aimee]

Veggietastic Vote Count!

ryan -- 5 (thinktank, kravhen, Oman, Crub, destructor)
Crub -- 2 (Northjayhawk, Y)
Y -- 1 (Phate)
Korran -- 1 (WhoMe?)
destructor -- 1 (soupfly)

Not Voting -- Korran, ryan

Now searching for a replacement for Korran.

[WhoMe?]

hmmm we have ryan at L-2. What is the reason for this? I haven't seen enough that I'd happily lynch any one of you yet.

[Y]

We actually have a dangerous waggon here. Could every one voting ryan explain why are they doing so?

[ryan]

We actually have a dangerous waggon here.

Could every one voting ryan explain why are they doing so?

That's a great question

[thinktank]

alright well:

unvote

Why exactly is Ryan at Lynch-3? from what i've seen this is a bandwagon by oman...the guy who randomed himself, voted himself, then asked for a role pm..
There isnt enough to lynch anybody yet.. we 've had 90 posts..with 12 players thats bout 7 posts per player and plus mod stuff..how can u possibly lynch someone when you've seen only 7 of their posts? its a very scummy move to put someone at lynch-3 on 7 posts, or incredibly dumb, to be jumping into a bandwagon started by the guy who asked for role pm so incredibly quickly..

[Phate]

After spending a full four minutes trying to decipher thinktank's post, here is my response.

thinktank, is English your native language? If so, please observe the following rules or I shall ignore your posts based on the negative risk:reward (migraine:uselessness) ratio.

Capitalise the first word of every sentence.
Use commas between clauses.
Use end punctuation at the end of every sentence.
Capitalise the word "I", as it refers to oneself.
Capitalise the names of your fellow players, unless they're sufficiently illiterate to have not capitalised their own name.
Use either a period or an ellipse; don't use their bastard child, "..".
On a related note, don't end EVERY FUCKING SENTENCE with "..".
If you choose to upgrade these to a full ellipse, consider some variety with end punctuation. One multi-paragraph sentence punctuated only with ellipses is irritating at best and illegible at worst.
"U" is not a valid substitute for "you."
Don't insult your fellow scummers' collective intelligence unless you're confident that you're more intelligent than they are. Then, do it in such a way that it showcases the intelligence gap, such as patronisingly giving them an impromptu crash course in the English launguage.

[soupfly]

don't be condescending (what is it about you people from birmingham, al?). i've written articles that have appeared in the WSJ and i'm not bothered by thinktank's grammer...just his content --> L-3 is nowhere near scummy, though you should consider that ryan was a L-2. so you're way off not by the fact that you can't write properly but by the fact that you think a random L-3 (which is actually an L-2) is scummy.

[destructor]

Veggietastic Vote Count!

ryan -- 5 (thinktank, kravhen, Oman, Crub, destructor)
Crub -- 2 (Northjayhawk, Y)
Y -- 1 (Phate)
Korran -- 1 (WhoMe?)
destructor -- 1 (soupfly)

Not Voting -- Korran, ryan

Now searching for a replacement for Korran.

Hmm, I didn't actually unvote before I voted for ryan, so he never made it to L-2...

He's got 3 votes on him right now.

My vote's still on Northjayhawk.

soupfly, I still wonder why you vote for me.

[kravhen]

holy shit too many people on ryan for it to be legit

Unvote

ryan, out of the people that stacked on you, who appears most scummy to you and why?

[kravhen]

Veggietastic Vote Count!

ryan -- 5 (thinktank, kravhen, Oman, Crub, destructor)
Crub -- 2 (Northjayhawk, Y)
Y -- 1 (Phate)
Korran -- 1 (WhoMe?)
destructor -- 1 (soupfly)

Not Voting -- Korran, ryan

Now searching for a replacement for Korran.

Hmm, I didn't actually unvote before I voted for ryan, so he never made it to L-2...

He's got 3 votes on him right now.

My vote's still on Northjayhawk.

soupfly, I still wonder why you vote for me.

Question: was it intended to not unvote before voting him so that your vote wouldnt be counted on purpose? to lure scum on the wagon without actually having your vote count?

[Northjayhawk]

I'm back, anyone miss me? Well, just barely back anyway, driving at a 15mph bumper to bumper crawl in traffic during a blizzard is no fun, but thankfully I was able to somehow avoid all the idiots on the road.

Ryan...can you post your role pm?

I just dont know what to make of this. You've got to be joking, right?

soupfly also explained the point I was trying to make a bit better than I did, someone else will potentially feel more pressure from your bandwagon, but a bandwagon on yourself is useless because you know you wont pull the trigger. All you have to do is make sure you defuse the situation before too many others unholster their guns.

Anyway, I've been exclusively on Oman for a little too long, time to examine some other people.

[Northjayhawk]

Veggietastic Vote Count!

ryan -- 5 (thinktank, kravhen, Oman, Crub, destructor)
Crub -- 2 (Northjayhawk, Y)
Y -- 1 (Phate)
Korran -- 1 (WhoMe?)
destructor -- 1 (soupfly)

Not Voting -- Korran, ryan

Now searching for a replacement for Korran.

holy hell, how did that happen?

*insert amazed reaction and suspicions at an early L-2 here, followed by backspacing it all out after realising this vote count is all screwed up*

I believe kravhen's on soupfly, and destructor's vote didnt count (rule #4), he's still on me. So, this isnt as interesting as it looks, except maybe we get to see reactions from people who initially believed the L-2 without checking first.

The only other thing I can think about is destructor intentionally casting a vote that didnt count to get people to think ryan had more votes than he actually did. That actually might be a clever strategy if you dont bring the wrath of the mod, but more likely just a simple mistake and he meant to cast his L-3 vote, then held off correcting the error after people freaked at the updated totals.

[Oman]

started by the guy who asked for role pm so incredibly quickly

Don't tell me you took that seriously?

holy shit too many people on ryan for it to be legit

Bad logic! NO! NAUGHTY LOGIC! Go sit in the corner!

You've got to be joking, right?

Yup.

but a bandwagon on yourself is useless because you know you wont pull the trigger.

You guys are silly. Your analogy is incorrect.

IF we stick with the gun analogy:

Self wagons are like pointing a gun at your head

and then having 6 other guys grab the trigger too

Wagons on others are like pointing a gun at their head

and then having 6 other guys grab the trigger too

No one person on a wagon controls whether or not it hammers (i.e. the guns shoots), as anyone who comes off can be replaced and anyone can hammer. Your analogy fits MAD mafia or Bad Idea more than regular Mafia.

Unvote

I believe that wagon to have served some sort of purpose for me. I shall join the Soupfly and

Vote Destructor

One of the main reasons Soupfly didn't point out is this:

The same question could be asked of why you're voting me

I think you're over-reacting to that

Which is interesting as I don't think it IS an over-reaction to question someone's L-2 vote.

My vote on ryan was for the reason I stated it was, a wagon, it got information (at least I think it did).

[destructor]

Yeah, well that was a breadcrumb for me pointing out that I didn't unvote.

kravhen, I wouldn't say it was meant to lure anyone to anything. I just thought it'd be interesting to see how people reacted.