Mini #534 - Vegetable Mafia (Game Over!)

[Oman]

Too scummy to be scum is a horrible falacy.

And you doing a "too scummy to be scum WIFOM" is horrible too.

[kravhen]

Agreed. This argument doesn't deliver, either way. It's just as scummy to use that (over-used) form of WIFOM.

[Northjayhawk]

I said crazy, not scummy. Maybe your view of things is different, but I wouldnt think scum would act so wacky, so it looks like it could be a good cover to me.

That, or just bored page-1 playfulness while waiting for people to check in. I never said it was a particularly good justification, but I've got nothing else.

[Oman]

, but I wouldnt think scum would act so wacky

And you're voting me.

[Northjayhawk]

, but I wouldnt think scum would act so wacky

And you're voting me.

Well, didnt you ask for it? I dont like to random-vote after the first one, and its all I can think of. Anyway, its only until someone else comes along for whom a non-lame arguement can be made.

My main point I'm trying to make is that what your doing is not (to me) normal townie behavior at all. No one expects a townie to vote for themself and ask others to form a bandwagon against them, thats just really weird. So, I have to ask myself, why would someone do that. All I can come up with is 1) bored page-1 antics killing time until everyone checks in = extremely likely or 2) a scum trying to do something so silly and abnormal that everyone will just write them off as a nut and look elsewhere = extremely unlikely, but > 0%

[destructor]

I don't think a self-vote is scummy, but I'm happy to get a wagon going on Oman anyway. It's good for discussion. And fun.

[Y]

I don't think a self-vote is scummy, but I'm happy to get a wagon going on Oman anyway. It's good for discussion. And fun.

So here's the discussion:
How is a growing random bandwagon with no info at all, fun?

[ryan]

A growing bandwagon with no info is NOT fun. Also has everyone checked in to the thread yet? That would be another reason to slow down bandwagons.

[Oman]

How are bandwagons not fun.

Guys, we know where this should go:

Unvote Vote Y

[ryan]

Oman: Come on now, we don't even have everyone checking in to the thread yet and you seem REAL quick to start a bandwagon on somebody. Why not get everyone into the thread and than you can bandwagon till your heart is content.

[Y]

How are bandwagons not fun.

They're not if some townie gets lynched because of your stupid games.

[destructor]

It's 7 to lynch. We haven't had a wagon past 3. Nothing to be worried about. Maybe an L-1 or L-2 vote should be cause for concern, but that hasn't happened yet.

Yep, korran, soupfly and Crub haven't made a post yet.

Mod: Can they be prodded?

[Crub]

Damn I missed my random chance to vote Oman Damn this sickness.

Sorry guys I probably won't be terribly active for the next couple of days while I'm still bed-ridden.

[thinktank]

bandwagoning someone whos randomed themself does not seem like a good idea..Its not a scum move to do that, it is kinda odd but not scum. What is scum is wagoning someone on randoming themself with no information....

[Northjayhawk]

Ahh, there you are. I'll return to my original random vote.

unvote
vote: crub

Aside from that, cows are hateful creatures that can never be trusted under any circumstances. The only thing they are ever good for is eating.

[destructor]

Vote: Northjayhawk

Not really random. I don't like the way he made a semi-serious vote, called it a playful random vote and now he's unvoted it and gone back to Crub. Why?

[soupfly]

okay, sorry i'm late...was away on business trip.

vote: destructor

<-- he's clearly scum.

[kravhen]

destructor is onto something
soupfly is clearly scum

unvote, vote: soupfly

[ryan]

destructor is onto something
soupfly is clearly scum

unvote, vote: soupfly

Um.........destructor isn't voting soupfly (as of Post 40)

[Y]

Um.........destructor isn't voting soupfly (as of Post 40)

Or ever did.

@ kravhen: You say destructor is right, and then you vote some one else?

[Crub]

Ahh, there you are. I'll return to my original random vote.

unvote
vote: crub

Aside from that, cows are hateful creatures that can never be trusted under any circumstances. The only thing they are ever good for is eating.

You must be punished

Can someone please unvote Oman so I can vote him?

[Northjayhawk]

Vote: Northjayhawk

Not really random. I don't like the way he made a semi-serious vote,

called it a playful random vote

and now he's unvoted it and gone back to Crub. Why?

I bolded the area that is false. It is kind of interesting that you either misunderstood or chose to misinterpret what I did as a playful vote on Oman.

My vote was not completely random, but only barely. If everyone else has an x% random chance of being scum, I'd say Oman is maybe (x+0.1)%. I was convinced by others who followed up that a lame bandwagon this early before people finish checking in is counterproductive, so I returned to my first vote.

[Oman]

Unvote Vote Northjayhawk

I've disliked every one of your posts so far.

[Northjayhawk]

*shrug* That makes two of us. Your first 3 posts were completely weird and unhelpful. At least with random-voting you might possibly, maybe find someone who gets a little too excited about having a random vote placed on them and everyone can start asking them questions about that, maybe someone over-reacts and becomes suspicious themselves, and we proceed from there to figure out what everyone is thinking.

What is the town ever going to gain from someone volunteering to start the bandwagon on themself, in what way does that help anyone at all? (I believe its useless anyway, perhaps someone else can clue me in if its not)

OK, so perhaps you are just being playful, with maybe a very small chance of intentionally being weird for other reasons, usually I would keep that thought to myself, but since you are asking for votes, then what the heck. It probably wouldnt be hard to figure out your motives, so I toss a vote to see what happens.

Your reaction to my vote is more serious and interesting to me than your initial silliness, that page-1 stuff has become less relevant to me at this point.

To recap: first you open with

I'm in!
Self vote!
No, Dice Roll!
No, DICE SELF VOTE!

Original Roll String: 1d1 (STATIC)

1 1-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

and a self-vote.

destructor hops on board which makes you happy, asking for more.

BANDWAGON TO VICTORY!

I make my vote, noting that you are acting really bizarre, but your reaction to that has been anything BUT playful and bored. I'm not particularly concerned at all about votes placed on me at this point because it is too early to matter, but suddenly this all seems very serious to you, and you begin to become defensive.

I'm curious about that. Why did you start with a self-bandwagon that (I believe) would be mostly useless to the town, and why do you feel the need to be defensive now?

[Oman]

Umm, how is a self bandwagon any less good than one the vote-ee is not on?