Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]

[Blade Dancer]

I have an idea of what Andrius's role is, but I have no idea what the flavor behind it is.

All choices have consequences.

Why am I not in your read wall?

[Blade Dancer]

@Magna, I think you're right on Nahdia but wrong on the partner.

I think Nahdia wants the Pepto wagon alive but doesn't want to be on it.

McMenno meanwhile is her buddy she doesn't want to bus.

What's your reasoning on McMenno again? All I recall was your flailing point which wasn't selling me at all.

Flailing, RVS tell, total lack of questions or scumhunting.

[Andrius]

I completely overlooked you. Sorry. --;

[Blade Dancer]

I completely overlooked you. Sorry. --;

I am feeling moody. Thoughts on me?

[McMenno]

hey look sirecaker is scumz what a surprise

Except wagoning lynchbait only gets you so far
P-edit:

Because he's usually scummy af and constantly gets lynched/vigged early on
Yes I have him as nullscum
Yes I should probably have him as null instead <.<

Nahdia is def scum regardless, her scumread on me is obv bs
Especially considering her history with me

acknowledging it doesn't make it better

dayvig everyone

hurr hurr hurr

[Accountant]

McMenno is town

[Creature]

Okay

[Creature]

Scum is shitting up the game and making it harder for me to read. I'm going to vote whoever has the worst post:content ratio, which I strongly suspect is just the person with the highest posts.

lol if you're going to do that make sure it's not just their playstyle.

[Gamma Emerald]

I personally am quite surprised at how much I posted.

[Not Chara]

SirCakez: now why am i missing from your readslist?
i haven't read yet.

[Not Chara]

look at that, you did remember me. <3
never mind. i'll catch up now.

[SirCakez]

I have a beautiful readslist for you all to admire

Town: Blade Dancer, House
Nulltown: zakk, PV, Magna, Sly
Null: Maxous, Creature, Nos, Accountant, Snarky, massive, Leonshade, Ankamius, Shiro (too many nulls ffs post you guys)
Nullscum: Gamma, Andrius, McMenno
Scum: Nahdia, Pepto

I think it's pretty safe to move Leonshade to town. Accountant can be at nulltown. Tell me if you disagree.

Leon only has 8 posts, wtf?
Accountant has mainly shitposted, at best I'd give him a very slight town lean.

I mean, yeah, I do want you to believe it.

So now Nahdia has changed her story again to her whole scunread being based on one post

Good shit

Gamma, zakk has obviously seen the light of SirCakez mega-quoting style. Santa Claus is a bit more direct with his use though, he likes to rub our noses in the poo that is his boasting. He loves delivering gifts, even if he knows, "What's in the box?"

I try to avoid these mega posts aside from catchup q.q

House, Gamma Emerald, Zakk, Not Chara and Creature are the highest posters, in that order.

VOTE: House

Lmfao?

Blade what's your nahdia read?

look at that, you did remember me. <3
never mind. i'll catch up now.

Because I did my reads list from the player list in the OP and you got skipped somehow

[Nahdia]

This being a bastard game I wanna try something.

VOTE: Skullduggery

[Creature]

VOTE: Skullduggery

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Skullduggery
Thank me if something bad happens.

[SnarkySnowman]

VOTE: skullduggery

[MagnaofIllusion]

i'm not floating anything

i wasn't going over the people in my wagon saying "he's scum, he's scum, he's scum"

i was going over the votes on my waon saying "this is a bullshit vote, this is a bullshit vote, this is a bullshit vote"

so what point am i avoiding?

you're totally misrepping me.

Um look a complete and utter dodge. For those who doubt zakk isn’t scum just making up things on the fly let’s revisit the posts I was discussing.

I also want to address this post.

zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet

I have played at least five or six games with SirCakez in the last year or so.
In every game where he is scum, he drums up the fact that I'm really good at scum, and that people shouldn't trust me.

Compare

:

Kuribo in Wonderland:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Street Fighter Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Mass Effect Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Magical Girls Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk

Look at the way he constantly doubtcasts me, but ESPECIALLY as scum.

Note that I am town in all of these scenarios.
The only time I've been scum around SirCakez is when we were scum

together

, here:

Killer Instinct Mafia:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66274

So throw that in the pot along with all the votes which have been influenced by SirCakez.

That's all.

So 565 is where zakk goes to great length to show a multiple meta examples of SirCakez as scum doubtcasting him. Read that post in full and then look at the next post in the chain that I was pointing out.

also for those of you voting sircakez saying that it was my reasoning that helped you get to that point, you're probably full of shit

because all my posts 565 and 569 really did was show that cakez has a habit of suspecting me, and that his suspicion should be taken with a grain of salt

i didn't create a case for him to be scum, i didn't even say i had a scum read on him. i just said what he has done before, and as which alignment

i don't have a scum read on him, and actually don't think i've considered him scummy more than a couple times this game

so park that wagon, turn it around, and start barking up another tree, comprende? thxxxxx

So in 932 he specifically says that 565 was not a “case” and he doesn’t scum read SirCakez, that the people who used 565 as reasoning to vote SirCakez are “probably full of shit” and SirCakez isn’t scummy.

I point this out and zakk tries to ignore it until I point out his ignoring it for everyone to see.

Now look at his response I quoted above … does that look like anything coming from a Town perspective to you?

Firstly he mis-identifies the issue completely – he’s trying to say I’m “misrepping” his intention. Yet what was the intention of 565 then? It certainly doesn’t reasonably appear to me that he’s saying “Sir Cakez suspicion should be taken with a grain of salt”. If so he could have just typed that and not gone to the trouble of linking multiple games. That post says “Sir Cakez always does this when he’s scum”. His subsequent backpedaling is zakk scum play – flip flop constantly on positions regarding players to establish a pattern of “that’s how I play” so he can’t be held accountable for suspicions. He did that in Adventure Mafia all the time … in fact in the Mafia PT I had to warn him off doing it with Titus later in the game as it was going to get him lynched.

And this isn’t the only example of him here – now suddenly Andrius “isn’t a good lynch” just for providing a wall post. Keep in mind he’s been calling Andrius scum for most of the limited day. Can scum wallpost? Certainly. And he makes absolutely zero comment about any of the content of Andy’s post … just that he shouldn’t be lynched today if he posts like that. Switching gears off an unpopular push but leaving plenty of wiggle room to later say “Oh, I still think he’s scum, blah blah blah”.

Zakk is pretty obvious at this point.

[Accountant]

I don't like how he dismissed my post calling him out

It's fine to say Accountant is wrong and terrible, but to completely refuse to engage with that is very bad on zakk's part. I'm not sure if it's actual scummy thinking or just his cockiness though.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Accountant

– please move back to Narna. The wagon was building and with Andrius pledging his vote and SlySly saying he would hammer his scum reads we effectively only needed 3 more votes before you jumped to policy vote House. A scum lynch is a good lynch.

Keep the votes coming.

He’s asking for more votes on himself. Oblige him.

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Flailing, RVS tell, total lack of questions or scumhunting.

So I’ve already said your flailing point was pretty garbage. RVS tells means nothing significant to me when you aren't showing scum intent when you use them. And I disagree in that I can name multiple other players who are doing less scum-hunting (Snarky/Narna/Shiro/Leonshade all have objectively less scum-hunting in this game than McMenno) and I don’t recall you looking sideways at them.

Given he picked up on things on Pepto that I saw I’m not inclined to push him for today.

What do you think of the Narna slot?

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Andrius, I scumread you for your soft because the character you softed is not likely to be pro-town. However, your lack of knowledge about the game means that you can't have softed that, at least not intentionally.

Why in a game that is completely and assuredly bastard are you continuing to make stupid assessments about alignment matching flavor? I’ve let it go for awhile but you’ve passed the point of no return. Until we have some modicum of information by which to parse flavor it’s stupid to say thinks like that.

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I'll go back and properly address things but, zakk, the game has been going three days. It opened Saturday. I don't the game has been afoot long enough for people to be actively lurking. Oh well.

Nail on the head.

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Okay Ranger Jr, what did Ank do to garner a townread?

He hasn’t posted any suspicion of her.

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oh please. you're terrible at this game if you think i'm scum

please please please please take your head out of your ass.

thx

Posts like this are good – it fairly well establishes that Gamma isn’t a partner to zakk. Because zakk would not go out of his way to play the “insult the newb” game with a partner suspecting him. He’s probably encourage the suspicion in their PT to distance effectively now that he’s not got a viable wagon.

i think she was trying way too super hard to be amicable and colloquial and it backfired on her. i'm willing to give her the botd in this case since i like her as a player and as a person and she's entertaining. i'd rather lynch chaff than scum day 1 anyway (and before you are like "OMG ZAKK WOULD RATHER LYNCH TOWN HE'S SCUM" just realize how stupid that sounds for me to admit that as scum)

Junk WIFOM delivery from zakk … junk WIFOM delivery from zakk …

The slow movement back to not “suspecting” Nhadia is pretty much appreciated so I can point it out for all to see.

1386 is more doubtcasting by zakk. It’s like he said “hey, I can undermine SlySly’s reads with babble about playstyles and not call him scum”.

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[MagnaofIllusion]

I don't like how he dismissed my post calling him out

It's fine to say Accountant is wrong and terrible, but to completely refuse to engage with that is very bad on zakk's part. I'm not sure if it's actual scummy thinking or just his cockiness though.

Given he uses his cockiness as a shield when playing scum I don't think giving him excuses is a wise course of action.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Magna: the character I'm referring to is almost definitely not pro-town.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Magna: the character I'm referring to is almost definitely not pro-town.

STOP TRYING TO OUTGUESS THE MOD IN A BASTARD GAME.

Seriously. Because if I was Skull I'd absolutely make the character in question Town just to fuck with assumptions like this ...

[Nahdia]

Gamma, look at this from a different direction.

Why

would a scum player soft their own flavor? A cursory review of mod meta shows that in themes where certain flavors are very unlikely to be pro-town, Skull gives fakeclaims.

[Accountant]

VOTE: Narna

[Creature]

I wonder where Narna is.