OPEN 649 — PICK YOUR POWER X/Y. EXPERIMENT OVER.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I suggest we don't let Zach and Fire anywhere near lylo, they will just fuck everything up.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

This kid is gold.

looking around the maria wagon and i found this gem of a post

It's interesting to me though that Charloux was pretty intent on voting for Maria D1... Why does he have to hard bus like that? Does the fact that a Maria wagon was unlikely to lead to a lynch have anything to do with it

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Charloux's interactions with Maria don't look SvS.

Fire, what did you pick in the draft?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

I don't think you understand me enough and I can get that I think you're right that I had no motivation on that post (I think the pr post) I was just posting my feelings on a page and I've been told it's bad to do something like that the "Don't use emotions" is bad but I can't help it I really love this game and it gets me worked up it's just part of who I am

You're right, i don't know you. Your posts made me visualize a sad girl who is sobbing because everybody is bullying her. My first opinion of that is
"Yeah, she's faking it"

Also if monokuma wasn't posted i'd forget Danganronpa 3 was ongoing

Well I hope as this game goes on your viewpoint can change on me (assuming we get the time to do so x3)

She's treating Charloux in a similar way she did Shadow. "I want to keep you alive and maybe you can townread me "

Btw in case it's not obvious i'm wiping my memory clear of this whole game and just rereading

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Alright here goes nothing

VOTE: Charloux As others have already said I understand why shadow scum reads me but it feels like you just jumped on it with no reason you're not taking into account my people having emotions you seem like a robot (no pun intended) only looking at "what game reason does post ___ mean." You only post when it's convenient to you

Plus I don't think Maria ever tried to bus KTS. Did she need to do the same for Charloux?

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fire was supposed to full claim first

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KTS suddenly wanting to lynch Wake after being completely neutral on Ümläüt doesn't seem very SvS to me either.

not really zach, it's just better to claim bottom to top in the draft

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I mean

i feel like that Maria wagon was planned by KTS and I think it was very effective, most people townread Maria and KTS after it. There's method to KTS's madness imo and that's actually why i like him a lot as a player

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CAN WE NOT VORE IN SOME OF MY TOP TR'S BESIDES GIGA?????????????

she was simulatenously townreading and nullreading KTS and only voted him because she thought Vedith was cc'ing KTS.

I forgot how far the Charloux wagon went but i'll double check now

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Only creature was voting Charloux at the time.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

god

so there's no N3 vig or town vengeful. that stinks.

Where are you leaning in terms of reads?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Isn't Fruit vendor already useless because neighborizer does pretty much the same thing, but with a spiffy PT?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

one of {zach, firebringer, charloux, kraska}

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oh hey i'm Mafia Scum now

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fire, gun-to-head, who's town and who's mafia out of the four unconfirmed townies?

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Dunn is confirmed town though. But your answer seems like you're answering Kraska as the townie?

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ok you might have missed it so

Dunn is like 110% confirmed, flipped cop gave an inno.

I'm 90% confirmed, D3 I claimed that my vig shot for KTS didn't go through. Shadow claimed he was RB'd and Creature said he protected KTS, so we know that KTS jailed shadow and Creature protected him from my vig. If you think I didn't use my vig shot and was trying to bait a doctor from claiming, not only would Chrimi not have died, I already showed in thread that the doctor could have been deduced to two people, meaning I could shoot both of them instead of Chrimi.

So that leaves you, Zach, Kraska, and Charloux.

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dunnlogic is just logic tho

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kraska

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please don't PL though??? we need this lynch

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still charloux qh'ing kts the same way sucked too, I need to direct Shadow to a better cop inspect because after Dunn claimed he wasn't a doc like I thought he becamse obvtown

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*needed

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don't forget to vca the wagons i've been posting

bins never got to do a VC when we had dueling counter wagons and that's a lot of information

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zach have you ever been scum before i can't imagine it at all in all honesty

[gigabyteTroubadour]

why does charloux not have maria vig me N1...? why does charloux kill chrimi...

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no that's what happened

i back up the first pr to die. maria was lynched first.

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same though?? he's lynchbaity and none of his interactions with maria feel like scum theatre (like kts's did)

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can we also NOT quickhammer?? please??

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what if you are the scum

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yeah ik but still

i want to be sure about this lynch

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dunn serious question: why didn't you watch creature

or more specifically why shadow?

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????????? how did you know shadow copped you?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Dunn, I think it's either Zach or Fire but I'm really unsure. What do you think?

I'm just not really sold on Charloux as scum. He was too aggro on Maria D1.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Interactions with Maria don't really make sense with the Maria wagon KTS staged. He knew I was the UB, and since we figures pisskop was killed as a safe rolefish because of a cop crumb and being low on the list, wouldn't it make sense to vig the person who would take whatever threatening role Pisskop had, too?

I also don't get why scum!Charloux qh's KTS but that can mean anything.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

if you want me to elaborate i'd like to when i have a computer

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Not really. I still have to think about her more but I'm leaning more town on her than not.

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charloux has openly admitted to sheeping me for the rest of the game at one point, so that probably explains the vote

like if he's scum, he and maria have buddied me really hard

I want to know what Dunn thinks atm because he has almost the same information as me. You were my strongest TR all game which is why I'm really unsure about you.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

Iirc you were townreading Wake really hard. Why's Kraska less towny than Firebringer?

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yeah, and a pool of 4 people

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fuck should we meta scum!wake as a town

he does feel like the NY wake but that was a town game.

[gigabyteTroubadour]

??????

if you are town that was really stupid

[gigabyteTroubadour]

like
dunn is dying probably
and you can only get lynched tomorrow if i vote for you
so??

[gigabyteTroubadour]

while charloux's alignment is still ambiguous

i thought about him more while pretending to sleep, D2 I felt like only him and maria were pushing that Pisskop was vigged? So that's an associative and like the only scummy thing I can recall charloux doing.

The question would have been though, what was the point of confusing town like that?

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yeah but neither is selfhammering when your lynch was literally impossible without it...

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the thing is I was hoping we could use the fact we had TWO confirmed townies decide two effective lynches... now tomorrow regardless of whether Dunn or me die, we'll have only 1 conftown and one lynch to sort 3 people

[gigabyteTroubadour]

for the last time

in mylo where it's bad play to NL (this one), the only way someone gets lynched is if the conftown votes for them for if they selfvote...

which is why SELF VOTING WHEN THERE ARE *TWO* CONFIRMED TOWNIES IS THE MOST ANTI-TOWN THING EVER

kraska you're only getting lynched if you're scum

[gigabyteTroubadour]

charloux was incredibly obvious town for the same reason as dunn

A scumpartner to Maria/KTS DOESN'T vote for Maria after the wagon dissipated, nor do they discredit KTS's "reaction test" on Maria. The whole point of it was to protect their vig, and it would have worked if Shadow wasn't the cop.

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[gigabyteTroubadour]

Very fun game.

The only reason scum won was because of A. Zach, and B. How much we used our day chat.

yeah but how much you used your daychat was how i linked you and maria

if i had *one* more irl day to play... the outcome would have been much different

gg tho impressive victory, i have concrit for zach's first scumgame because imo it was nearly flawless

[gigabyteTroubadour]

You seem to have misunderstood.

@Killthestory

Explain your opportunistic-looking scumread.

btw this quote should have confirmed kraska as town.... js

[gigabyteTroubadour]

but you voted for him pre-mylo...?

[gigabyteTroubadour]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=67852

dead thread

[gigabyteTroubadour]

yeah
but that's the link

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imo town's downfall was that there were a lot of points where people didn't want to consider the why's and rushed through lynches. I don't really think much thought went into the Skelda scumreads, Maria was a cop guilty, KTS was confscum by the setup, there was a lot to discuss about the Vedith lynch that just wasn't talked about (it was really just my read being sheeped... shadow was the only one who openly disagreed iirc but we didn't have a dialogue), and people just gave up with Charloux. I think the lesson learned here is that there's a difference between a fast, efficient lynch and quickhammering someone.

Tbh if Kraska or Fire were cop inno'd the game would have worked out way differently, especially because I was really sure about Dunn/KTS distancing (and charloux/maria distancing obviously)... Really though, scum did a really good job and I can't wait to see the pt!

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so yeah i see this as a team failure more than an individual one

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I actually reread the game like right before Charloux self-hammered and picked up on a lot of scummy things I overlooked (since I was tunneling Vedith mostly), so taking me to MYLO would've been suicide because I wouldn't have given voting you a second thought lol.

Honestly if you pushed your scumreads harder and had a more natural read progression on Skelda (and didn't lynch Vedith lol the way you did it was actually a scumclaim looking back), I probably would have lynched Fire over you (really the choice was between a slot that defended scum vs. a lurker). Like I said, you did a good job obvtowning this game...

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oh and your claim was scummy as hell too lol

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Defended scum is now a scum tell?

there was so little to find suspicious about zach, but refusing to deadline lynch kts and force a skelda lynch was really scummy imo

like SOMEONE had to vote for a townread of theirs to prevent a NL, and that someone was me

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it actually might have been smart to lynch shadow

like i don't think people paid attention to my UB crumbs, so we could have verified shadow's guilty AND have a hidden cop in me (i probably would have roleswapped with charloux since i pushed that really hard)

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i know you guys won but you should have distanced some more... fire and vedith were legit contenders for scum #3 because I was expecting SOME distancing between you guys lol

maybe it was better that you didn't actually

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having reads is one thing but charisma matters more

that's why vedith was lynched

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noooo i meant that i had charisma
like ppl sheeped me over shadow even tho i was wrong

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yeah seriously
zach u were obvscum during mylo lol, try not to confirm people as town and change opinions because townies don't get that luxury when there's a risk of a qh

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that's true i guess, i was strongly tr'ing kraska from that 1 interaction and meta but i don't think other people saw it. probably why i felt that way

btw if it ever came down to Fire vs. Zach though I think your Vedith vote made you look townier since from VCA and the context of the dueling wagons D1, Skelda was clearly the wagon scum were pushing (2 scum on the wagon vs. 1, one kept gaining momentum really quickly multiple times with no counterwagon vs. a rushed near-deadline lynch with a weak case around it...). of course that made kraska look identical to zach, but wake's vote was kind of empty so...?

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Yeah dunn was obvtown

i only got paranoid of him because i thought he was crumming doctor too hard to REALLY be a doctor... but it turns out he wasn't trying to do that....

Yeah I kind of wanted to wait before lynching KTS because I didn't agree with Creature's plan but KTS was already hammered :/

[gigabyteTroubadour]

i like hydraing bc you get someone else to bounce ideas off of and talk to w/ no pressure, you know? i feel like i'd be more motivated if i could hydra in normals lol

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Wow who do u think u are
Just like stay away from Maria pls

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hey wait
whatever happened to chrimi's neighborhood?

like it's been a month and all but i just realized that chrimi being a neighborizer was never brought up...