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[House]

Actually House my issue isn’t that you prefer playing as scum. Its that your post reads like you aren’t taking this very seriously. Mainly what sticks out to me is the intentional (?) misspelling in answer one, the joking in answer four, and the lack of any elaboration in answer five. Together it looked like you’re just screwing around. That said, I’m bad at tonal indicators so I may have been too dismissive of your response to my questions.
Are you enjoying the game thus far?

Misspelling:

doubt it was intentional

. Slang
Joking: So what?
Elaboration: The questions were answered as put forth. If you want elaboration, phrase them better.

I was absolutely screwing around, but that doesn't change the fact that my responses were honest. Anyone that knows me can vouch for that.

And yeah, the game has been fun.

EBWOP

[Dierfire]

VOTE COUNT 1.04

BBmolla (2): Robbnva, Elyse
Vedith (2): BBmolla, cmitc1
Masquerade (2): ChaosOmega, Egg
Elyse (1): BlankFace
Grendel (1): Wake88
Robbnva (1): House
Egg (1): Vedith
ChaosOmega (1): Masquerade

No Vote (2): Grendel, Hoopla

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[Egg]

Ok Grendel can be town.

Why?

He used RQS as town, felt successful with it (whether he actually WAS or not is irrelevent) and brought it here. Then he did a good job of outlining why. It feels genuine. He really believes he is doing a good thing for town.

[Wake1]

UNVOTE: Grendel

[Wake1]

Grendel, I've read up to page 11. My thoughts on the current game state is that there's very little to go on currently.

[Wake1]

House, how much experience do you have with Egg?

[Egg]

Hmm. So no reads yet?

[Wake1]

Elyse, I'm torn on 197. I agree with Vedith asking you why you would back off your Scumread, because I think if you suspect someone you should give voice at every opportunity. His latter two questions felt slightly underhanded. Initially I wanted to back Vedith against you over your Scumread of him in response to his 183. But, when reading his two latter questions they do feel Scummy to me.

Vedith, would you please provide feedback?

[Wake1]

Hmm. So no reads yet?

With respect Egg, I play at my own pace. I would ask you to respect that please. Also, I no longer do Reads Lists. This applies to all current and future games.

[Egg]

Gotcha.

[Wake1]

While you're here Egg, would you please explain how I seemed excited (I wasn't), and how that translates to a Scumread?

[Egg]

Ehh, it was probably just that three posts in a four post block were yours right at the start of the game and then the smilie and the way I read your tone.

[Wake1]

Ehh, it was probably just that three posts in a four post block were yours right at the start of the game and then the smilie and the way I read your tone.

I'm honestly curious, and would really like you to go on on this please.

[House]

House, how much experience do you have with Egg?

Enough to know he's a solid asset when he's town.

Not enough to know the threat he poses as scum.

[Egg]

Ehh, it was probably just that three posts in a four post block were yours right at the start of the game and then the smilie and the way I read your tone.

I'm honestly curious, and would really like you to go on on this please.

I would but there really isn't more.

[Masquerade]

Here now. Sorry for being inactive. Really tired because I didn't sleep. Had a party and then mod-duties and then it was 8am so I just stayed up.

3) Then what are some positive things that others have said about your previous plays?
5) Elaborate?
6) What does trusting others have to do with play style?
(You're fine with me abbreviating your name to Mask right?)

3 Nothing. I gave up asking at some point..
5 I get paranoid as either alignment but as town it leaves me more confused because I don't know who my team is. That's also why I like mason/neighbour as roles..
6 You know what, I may not understand what you mean with trust/buddy. I was assuming it was kinda what Molla and House were doing with the mason-claiming? Like you pick someone you can read and test how they respond to it. (I was also assuming they know each other reasonably well, I could be wrong) And that's not my style of getting reads.
(ye np, it usualy becomes masq but I'm good with a k too)

Masquarade, you said that what followed Grendel's RQS was boring. What do you think of those who refused to answer? I also noticed you didn't list any strengths. Do you really not know of any? Because you said you prefer playing scum and "sort of" change strengths and weknesses with alignment and it kind of feels like you had scum strengths in mind that you didn't want to share. How do you know your strengths and weaknesses change without knowing what your strengths are?

Everything you ask is already answered. I already said my weakness is being emotional. I tend to get more emotional as town, because I'm the one being betrayed (in my mind)
Robb's response to Grendel's RQS seemed exaggerated to me.

Post game we will see what we see and if masq is scum I'll be surprised he let those questions trip him up.

Huh? Do I know you?

Ok Grendel can be town.

Why?

He used RQS as town, felt successful with it (whether he actually WAS or not is irrelevent) and brought it here. Then he did a good job of outlining why. It feels genuine. He really believes he is doing a good thing for town.

Don't agree here. Grendel is still null for me based on that he has yet to commit to any sort of read and I don't know him well enough to be able to judge whether he's genuine.

[Robbnva]

Ok Grendel can be town.

Why?

He used RQS as town, felt successful with it (whether he actually WAS or not is irrelevent) and brought it here. Then he did a good job of outlining why. It feels genuine. He really believes he is doing a good thing for town.

You can't be serious?

[Robbnva]

Do I know you?

No. what about that makes you think that?

I mean we've played together before but that's irrelevant.

[ChaosOmega]

Masquerade: No response to my post 182?

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Chaos, any thoughts that aren't about Masquarade?

Don't agree with the push on Molla, but it looks like that's fading away anyway. Not a huge fan of Vedith right now. 154 reads awkward, like he's trying to force light-heartedness to pressure to appear town. Elyse already touched on 183, going to post the exchange:

And then when I called him out on it he realized he fucked up and there's nothing else for him to do. He's caughtscum who needs to hang.

More like he's stubborn.
Not feeling the Molla wagon from such a weak reason.
Anyone else on him? I mean, he has plenty of posts to look into.

And if so, what's your view on his multiple posts of being Mason.
Obviously he's giving different information on them, but what motive do you think he has with it from a scum side (what you believe him to be).

I don't share Hoopla's townread on Molla but I'll back off since it seems like no one else sees what I see.

Wait, why would you back off your scum read?
Surely you would want to convince us right now? Or are you happy to lynch outside of your scum reads?

Obviously I'm not happy to lynch outside my scumreads. These are terrible questions that make you look like you're scumhunting when you're not.

I'm not going to continue with my "BB lied and is scum" case because multiple people are saying he's stubborn town. It's a black and white thing that I can't really convince people on. Either you think he's lying scum or frustrated, stubborn town. Continuing that line of attack is useless. I'm going to pursue him in other ways if he continues to be scummy.

Scumread on Vedith

183 is a false dichotomy. "Surely, you would want to push forward with this case even though pretty much no one else is on board? Or are you happy lynching whomever?" Seriously Vedith, what information were you looking for with the answer to that question? If she stays on, she's pushing by herself with a weak reason, and if she leaves, she's lynching outside her scum reads.

Vedith, who is your biggest scumread that isn't Elyse?

[Egg]

Hmm. That didn't really answer my concerns, Masquarade.

Rob, yeah I'm serious.

[Robbnva]

Smh

So basically scum can fool you by asking rqs at the beginning of the game. Noted

[House]

Smh

So basically scum can fool you by asking rqs at the beginning of the game. Noted

Anything scum can do, town can do better.

[Egg]

Nope, I usually don't like RQS. I think this is the first time I've townread someone for it. That's why I questioned him about doing it in the past. He just happened to have a very genuine answer. Usually, I get "I do it every game" which is obnoxious because you can't get a read from it. But the whole trying it once and liking the result as town, then doing it here. Like I said, he genuinely believes he's doing something that helps town. And whether he's right or not, that's a town mindset.

[Elyse]

Elyse, I'm torn on 197. I agree with Vedith asking you why you would back off your Scumread, because I think if you suspect someone you should give voice at every opportunity. His latter two questions felt slightly underhanded. Initially I wanted to back Vedith against you over your Scumread of him in response to his 183. But, when reading his two latter questions they do feel Scummy to me.

Vedith, would you please provide feedback?

Do you think me continuing to push "BB was caught in a lie, he's caughtscum" is useful if no one feels the same way? It's literally just me repeating myself over and over again. I've laid out the evidence and BB even admitted he was wrong. I don't know what else to do. Follow me or don't.

That was just such an easy thing to jump on for scum and Vedith of course took that opportunity.

[House]

"BB was caught in a lie, he's caughtscum"

In your experience, is this just as relevant for experienced scum as it is for caught scum in early d1?

I have him the benefit of doubt because my memory is shit and I get crap wrong as town that I'm then pressured as scum for, myself.