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In post 999, Psyche wrote:i tried viktor but for some reason i just don't

like

him

I really don't like viktor much either.

Have you considered investing in Karthus? Syndra is also pretty good.

Karthus yas

Zac is fine mid for that reason. Can build light ap on him, mostly tank and he'll do a lot of damage that honestly will work well. Lots of talons wont roam

In post 986, Voidedmafia wrote:Wait, was Annie a support who just went full AP?

Silver support meta in one sentence

In post 991, Psyche wrote:so i picked zac mid into talon because there was no tank on our team but i wonder if it's something i can do regularly versus assassins

Running exhaust isn't a bad shout, try to play someone who can deal damage from range and has some kind of mobility or self peel

In post 998, Psyche wrote:his skills are pretty aoe and so well-suited for clearing

when an enemy is not around

This makes him bad at dealing with roaming.

In post 1002, Randomnamechange wrote:hout, try to play someone who can deal damage from range and has some kind of mobility or self peel

zac fits this criteria

In post 1003, Gendaberry wrote:

In post 998, Psyche wrote:his skills are pretty aoe and so well-suited for clearing

when an enemy is not around

This makes him bad at dealing with roaming.

he's fine when an enemy's around too

In post 1000, RayFrost wrote:

In post 999, Psyche wrote:i tried viktor but for some reason i just don't

like

him

I really don't like viktor much either.

Have you considered investing in Karthus? Syndra is also pretty good.

got to s4 with karthus

Zac lacks the wave clear to be able to deal with talon. Talon can just shove the lane and roam.

Lissandra is great against melee assassins and still has excellent waveclear if you max E second.

Generally, you want to stay away from long range waveclear champions (Lux, Ziggs, Viktor, Anivia, Vel'Koz, etc.) against assassins, though. They are definitely viable against them if you really know what you're doing (aka can time your situational defensive spell against them properly), but otherwise you're just begging to be snowballed on. Most other mages fare better against them.

i have 800 ip b4 i can buy talon

shld i do it or buy someone else

In post 1008, Ankamius wrote:Lissandra is great against melee assassins and still has excellent waveclear if you max E second.

Generally, you want to stay away from long range waveclear champions (Lux, Ziggs, Viktor, Anivia, Vel'Koz, etc.) against assassins, though. They are definitely viable against them if you really know what you're doing (aka can time your situational defensive spell against them properly), but otherwise you're just begging to be snowballed on. Most other mages fare better against them.

anivia fucks assassins in the bum bum

In post 1009, Heat wrote:i have 800 ip b4 i can buy talon

shld i do it or buy someone else

save it to buy bard.

I'm so sick of OCE, you can't play a normal game without at least 1 person instalocking and taking someone else's role.

And i just had 2 of them in the same game and made it a remake by afking.

In post 1010, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 1008, Ankamius wrote:Lissandra is great against melee assassins and still has excellent waveclear if you max E second.

Generally, you want to stay away from long range waveclear champions (Lux, Ziggs, Viktor, Anivia, Vel'Koz, etc.) against assassins, though. They are definitely viable against them if you really know what you're doing (aka can time your situational defensive spell against them properly), but otherwise you're just begging to be snowballed on. Most other mages fare better against them.

anivia fucks assassins in the bum bum

And what do you do if you miss your Q?

ayy finally back here

In post 1013, Ankamius wrote:

In post 1010, Dwlee99 wrote:

In post 1008, Ankamius wrote:Lissandra is great against melee assassins and still has excellent waveclear if you max E second.

Generally, you want to stay away from long range waveclear champions (Lux, Ziggs, Viktor, Anivia, Vel'Koz, etc.) against assassins, though. They are definitely viable against them if you really know what you're doing (aka can time your situational defensive spell against them properly), but otherwise you're just begging to be snowballed on. Most other mages fare better against them.

anivia fucks assassins in the bum bum

And what do you do if you miss your Q?

You dont need to hit your q. R > E and you chunk them easily all laning phase post 6 as they try to farm in melee range.

That doesn't say much for when they all-in you.

Here are some things..
They cant all.in when they are poked low.
Anivia has strong wave clear to prevent roams
This same.wave clear provides an extremely safe laning phase with shoving and backing off to turret
An egg to prevent getting dove
And the list goes on.
Anivia counters assassins

Then just play Malzahar. He just ults people under tower and has good waveclear

You can literally play anything into talon. He's one of the weakest pre 6 midlaners, and you should be getting a huge early lead on him.

For perspective on how weak talon is in lane, you can even beat him pre-six in lane on karthus

can akali pre-6 beat him tho

Yes

yeah karthus destroys talon pre 6 (in fact even post 6 because by then you would've already got some form of tankiness via catalyst AND you should've gotten a lot further than him in lane early levels). for reference i've faced some of the best talons (yiguo, ryoh, scrumm) and have destroyed them all in lane.

does anyone know the IP system well enough to explain to me how I got less IP for a game I did better in and lasted longer?

I didn't use an IP boost that ran out or anything like that before someone ventures that idea

Just curious.