Mini 1787: Peruvian Nightclub Mafia (Game End!)

[Tyler the Creator]

oh forgot jake, he's town

[Tyler the Creator]

Does this make Xy/Jaack team less likely?

yea probably

[Tyler the Creator]

vote:jaack

[Tyler the Creator]

xy might be town

i need to realize i can't read lurkers for shit

[Dunnstral]

What if he gets pressure for his quickhammer and gets pushed to L-1? Would anyone buy his claim then?

After I claimed him inno? There's literally no way Jake could have been lynched off of that. If somehow he were to get to L-1 I'd obviously retract and explain that Jake is cop (or more likely he would and then I'd retract)

[Jake from State Farm]

Sorry we are lynching Dunn and nobody else today. I'll ruin this game if I have to get my way but I'm sorry he's getting lynched

[Dunnstral]

By the way, look at that wall of quotes, that shows that I know jake is town, jaack. Do you think I made all of that up? Look at the speed that it was posted. I didn't make that all up, there's actually evidence there

[Jaack]

For your gambit to work, both your guesses would have to be correct

Don't look down on me. I claimed because I was confident in my "guesses".

But why the gambit at all? Like this makes absolutely no sense.

Let's pretend you are actually town and had correctly predicted that Jake was cop and had an inno on you.

If you don't gambit here are the possibilities:

1. Jake claims with two innocents. We have 3/9 confirmed townies and have 2 mislynches to work with. That's a pretty good situation.
2. Jake doesn't claim, and gets nightkilled. His inno on Robert would have been obvious, and his likely about face on his read on you would make that inno also obvious. This is the worst case scenario and we still go into D4 with two confirmed innos. Neither of you would have been lynched, because Jake would have claimed if either of you got close. This is a slightly less good situation than no. 1, but still pretty good.
3. Jake doesn't claim and either you or Robert get NKed. Jake gets one more inspection, and we either have 3/7 confirmed town, or 2 confirmed town and a confirmed scum. This scenario is what you would have been trying to accomplish if you were actually telling the truth about your gambit.
4. Jake doesn't claim and all his clears make it to D4. That would be 4/7 confirmed town, which is an insta-win, or 3/7 confirmed town with 1 confirmed scum, which is also an insta-win.

You're hypothetical gambit may have made scenario 3 more likely but it decreased the chance at scenario 4, the best case scenario. It was a bad gambit no matter what.

[Jaack]

Like seriously, why am I being scumread for not believing this insanity.

[Tyler the Creator]

nobody is arguing that it was a good play

bad doesn't equal scum

what's his scum motive

[Tyler the Creator]

out the cop? he already knows who the cop is

[Dunnstral]

nobody is arguing that it was a good play

I am

[Tyler the Creator]

and even if he doesn't - he knows that the cop stomps him out in a 1v1 for being the CC to him

trading here makes no sense

[Jaack]

and even if he doesn't - he knows that the cop stomps him out in a 1v1 for being the CC to him

trading here makes no sense

It makes more sense than his claimed gambit, that's for sure.

[Jaack]

Also, his lack of a N2 result claim in his original claim post allows him to adjust those result to what he felt would be most valuable.

[Tyler the Creator]

the fact jaack isn't jumping down my throat for voting him here speaks volumes of his supposed conviction for dunn being scum

[Tyler the Creator]

It makes more sense than his claimed gambit, that's for sure.

what's his scum motive

[Dunnstral]

Also, his lack of a N2 result claim in his original claim post allows him to adjust those result to what he felt would be most valuable.

You're still refusing to reference that I knew jake was cop anyway

[Jaack]

Also, his lack of a N2 result claim in his original claim post allows him to adjust those result to what he felt would be most valuable.

You're still refusing to reference that I knew jake was cop anyway

Because you claim to know that until after jake cc'd you. Yes, I've seen your references and I'm not convinced.

As for not going after you Tyler, its because I have one confirmed scum in my eyes (Dunn) and both you and Bins have been scumreading me for not buying dunn's junk, so I have no clue which of you is scum (I'm still under the assumption we have 3 scum).

It's not worth my time to bother with possible scum when I have a confirmed one I need to get lynched.

[Tyler the Creator]

it's creature/jaack

game has been cracked

[Jaack]

It makes more sense than his claimed gambit, that's for sure.

what's his scum motive

Outing the Cop. It's a bad motive, but its a far better motive than whatever dunn is claiming his motive behind this supposed gambit is.

[Zulfy]

Votecount 3.02

Not Voting

: Toolenduso, Robert2424, Bins, Creature, xyzzy,

Dunnstral

: JFSF, Jaack

Jaack

: Dunnstral, Tyler

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-06-02 17:20:00)

Note: Seeking replacement for Robert2424

[Tyler the Creator]

As for not going after you Tyler, its because I have one confirmed scum in my eyes (Dunn) and both you and Bins have been scumreading me for not buying dunn's junk, so I have no clue which of you is scum (I'm still under the assumption we have 3 scum).

1) dunn isn't confirmed scum
2) that's not why I think you're scum, can't speak for bins

[xyzzy]

I definitely think Dunnstral's townie claim (which I asked about in 993) is a fairly crucial piece of information given his response to my question about it in 994, and I'm really curious what other people think about it

I am going to deliberately not weigh in on this and suggest that everybody else do the same.

if Dunnstral is scum, toolenduso is almost certainly also scum, and vice versa. I don't think Dunnstral is scum, so I don't think toolenduso is either, but if Dunnstral is lynched today and is scum, toolenduso is a very good choice tomorrow.

I definitely need to reread Jaack's ISO but I'm going to bed now, so I'll do that tomorrow. I feel like the case against him is a solid one? I dunno I'll see when I reread. night y'all

[Tyler the Creator]

It's not worth my time to bother with possible scum when I have a confirmed one I need to get lynched.

i think what you mean to say is why waste your time building a narrative based on associations that you know you're gonna have to abandon eventually anyway

things like this just don't ever come from a town mindset - if you're that confident dunn's scum, use your time to look for partners, is what I'd expect

you notably aren't making an effort to do that