Newbie Game #489 - Murder in Smallburg (Game Over!)

[Wolfbullet]

I'm still here and reading. There is not much more I can do till Selande actually gets round to finishing posting her thoughts.

[martini]

That's exactly what I thought

[Wolfbullet]

Selande when you do get back I think you should just vote. At this rate it'll be Christmas before we are close to done and although Mafia is fun I don't think its top of things to do during Christmas holidays and then nobody will be here.

[Selande]

Guys, sorry to let you wait so long. I've been ill, but now I'm back at work. Probably no time today, but I intent to post Friday.

[martini]

Guys, sorry to let you wait so long. I've been ill, but now I'm back at work. Probably no time today, but I intent to post Friday.

I'm glad you're back

[Selande]

Interactions Franzie- Boggzie/Wolfbullet: Boggzie/Wolfbullet) seems to be Franzie's main target day 1; three of his five votes are on Boggzie/Wb: he votes, unvotes and votes for Boggzie (both times first vote on Boggzie), then changes his vote to Flameaxe (following Boggzie's vote, bringing Flame to L-1), later votes for Wb and brings him to L-1; the fifth vote is the hammer on mcpaltp, following that from Wb: "I'm happy for martini or Selande (or maybe Franzie would like to do some last minute bussing) to drop the hammer if they want to and everyone else is okay with it? "

When Franzie votes Wolfbullet, both mcpaltp and Wb have two votes. Martini has expressed his suspicion of mcpaltp, but hasn't cast a vote yet. So for a scum-pair Franzie/Wb a L-1 vote on mcpaltp seems more advantageous at this point. One point for Wolfbullet. OTOH distancing/bussing on Franzie's part is still a possibility, and Franzie could have read the sentence I quoted from Wb as a request to hammer coming from his scum-partner. 1/2 negative point for Wb.

Interactions Boggzie - Franzie: Boggzie continues to attack N-N, and sees Franzie as his scum-partner. N-N gets his vote. When Flameaxe votes for Boggzie he becomes a third suspect and over the course of the Flameaxe-discussion, Franzie drops off the list of suspects.

Interactions Wolfbullet - Franzie: Upon replacing in Wb drops Boggzie's suspects and sees Franzie and martini as the most scummy and votes for martini.

Wb votes for martini although he lists Franzie as his top suspect - 1 negative point for Wb.

Then Wb develops his case against mcpaltp; Franzie is seen as the most unlikely scumbuddy. After voting Wb he becomes the top-suspect for being mcpaltp's partner.

Wb's defense and accusations against Franzie seem quite genuine, but I'm not sure if he would have reacted differently if he is scum.

[Wolfbullet]

Wb votes for martini although he lists Franzie as his top suspect - 1 negative point for Wb.

I just wanted to say my reason for voting martini was that at the time people thought Boggzie/me and Coxy/martini were scumbuddies. That is the reason why I said as a sign of good faith when I voted. Also at the time I thought martini and Franzie were scumbuddies, even though martini was 2nd it wasn't by very much.

Also I wanted to say I thought mcpaltp/martini were partners and then that changed to mcpaltp/Franzie. I got mcpaltp wrong but the fact that 1 of my top suspects was scum and that the other one is still alive should kick up some more suspicions of martini.

[Selande]

Looking back at day one didn't help me that much - it seems equally possible that both of you are scum. And since both of you essentially claim the same actions/tactics for day two and three it doesn't make the decision any easier.

But this game lasted long enough, so I'll vote. Since part of my suspicion against Wolfbullet stems from the fact that he was the more active player and I don't want to punish that:

vote: martini

[Mr. Flay]

Final Vote Count of Day Three:

martini - 2 (Wolfbullet, Selande)

Wolfbullet - 1 (martini)

Selande's grim decision results in martini's body swinging from the gallows. She takes a deep breath, bracing to see what Wolfbullet will do now... but his only reaction is a sigh of relief.

martini,

Mafia

, was lynched Day Three.

Town wins!!

Woo, nicely played

everyone

. I had no idea which way Selande was going to vote, but she took her time and did it just right.

Night choices are pretty obvious: Mafia killed Flameaxe N1 and NabNab N2, and Wolfbullet investigated Franzie N1 and Selande N2.

[Selande]

Yay!

Thanks all for the game.

Martini, your cop claim at the end made voting for you really difficult.

[Franzie]

Well that took forever. As to my decision at the beginning of day 2, I was pretty much hosed anyway because I got impatient and hammered at the end of day 1. I mean...the fact that it was just about to cross over a month really bothered me, so I didn't care if I hammered, and I planned to claim cop to hopefully cause some chaos.

Thanks for modding, Flayster. 'twas an interesting first game for me.

[NabakovNabakov]

Finally.

Wolfbullet, I think you played a very good game (despite getting a bad read on paltap). You analysis was in good order, you didn't jump on Franzie's claim, and you weathered another one very well.

Selande, congratulations on making the choice I would have made weeks ago. The kind of analysis you did D3 should be what you're doing every day.

Franzie/Martini: Did you really discuss Franzie's gambit N1? Why did you choose to get a guilty claim on me? I think what really ruined you two is that martini held out hope that Franzie would be beleived. By being "unsure" of the claim then suddenly coming around and bussing, you made the whole thing pretty clear.

mcpaltap: Sorry for lynching you dude, try to handle it better next time. (The original case on you was pretty weak, it was your erratic behavior under pressure that convinced me)

[Selande]

I suck at making decisions.

But martini didn't say he was unsure about Franzie's claim, that was me.

[Flameaxe]

Woo! Victory! I had a good feeling about Selande after our last game together. My whole 'I know you really want to go to night and talk to your buddy and kill people, but must it really be that obvious' got me killed though. It made me depressed.

Mc-paltap (as you will now be known as

forever

.) : Sorry bout the lynch from me too. I really wasn't planning on a lynch, only pressure to get you moving where I knew you should be. I wasn't expecting Franzie to quickhammer like that, but I'm glad he did.

Final thoughts: Too many cop claims! Thanks to Flay for great modding, as usual.

[martini]

Dammit
Btw, Wolfbullet, for some reason I had a feeling you were cop
Well, this was my first game as Mafia, and I think I learned from it, so that's good

[Wolfbullet]

Phew. Glad you picked me in the end Selande. After your first post saying you were leaning towards martini and your point system seemed to have me with more negatives I was a bit worried.

I gotta say sorry to mcpaltp as well. I really did think the pattern was pretty suspect and then how you reacted to it dug your own grave from my point of view. If you had reacted in a better way then I think we would have lynched Franzie D1 and then I would have investigated you and found you innocent. Least we got a win in the end.

Franzie and martini were my first suspects when I joined the game so I learned first instincts can mean a lot. I also shouldn't have made the comment about being okay with someone putting the hammer down on mcpaltp, it just put me in a bad light.

Thanks for modding Mr Flay. And if I don't see any of you in another game have a good Christmas!

[Wolfbullet]

I meant to ask why didn't you scum players go after me on day 2? I'd gone after mcpaltp so much I must have been the perfect target. Even though your cop claim was pretty bad Franzie it might have had some more success if you had picked me instead of NN.

[mcpaltp]

Hey guys, good game.

Sorry for acting so freak-outy, but I just couldn't think of a good response to the accusations. I sort of wanted to see what it felt like to be the brunt of a melt-down so I'd know how it felt.

By the time I got lynched, I was pretty sure that Wb was town, so that was good. I wasn't so sure of Franzie, but good call on that. Good call on martini, too.

It was fun, but boy was the pace glacial.

Sorry if I annoyed or made anyone sad.

[Mr. Flay]

I was pretty much hosed anyway because I got impatient and hammered at the end of day 1. I mean...the fact that it was just about to cross over a month really bothered me, so I didn't care if I hammered, and I planned to claim cop to hopefully cause some chaos.

Hence one of the reasons we like games to take longer than many other sites do; scum sometimes get impatient and make mistakes.

Still, it was a good game overall. I'll post a graph of your posting rate later tonight when I get home...

[Franzie]

I was pretty much hosed anyway because I got impatient and hammered at the end of day 1. I mean...the fact that it was just about to cross over a month really bothered me, so I didn't care if I hammered, and I planned to claim cop to hopefully cause some chaos.

Hence one of the reasons we like games to take longer than many other sites do; scum sometimes get impatient and make mistakes.

Still, it was a good game overall. I'll post a graph of your posting rate later tonight when I get home...

I'm pretty sure I'd have gotten impatient if I was town, in a game taking this long. If mine and mcpaltp's roles were exchanged, I could see myself doing what he did. Maybe not that extreme, but my comments would definitely start dripping with sarcasm around the 3-week mark.

[Mr. Flay]

I'm pretty sure I'd have gotten impatient if I was town, in a game taking this long. If mine and mcpaltp's roles were exchanged, I could see myself doing what he did. Maybe not that extreme, but my comments would definitely start dripping with sarcasm around the 3-week mark.

Sure, but as town I think you might have confined yourself to sarcastic comments (I do it all the time, no matter what my faction). As scum you may have felt a little extra liberty/justification for your kill, and wanted to get to night... *shrug*

Anyway, here's what posting looked like in this game:

Day Three is no surprise, of course, but other than that you guys did a pretty good job, and didn't have to have any deadlines.

[Flameaxe]

Thats quite a spike.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

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