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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:31 am

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LaptopGun wrote:Really crappy evidence (I think I am reading to much into it), I just think I should point that out. It's enough to make me keep my vote on SSF for a little while.
Explain this please, I'm not really sure what you're getting at. You think my reasons for defending Oman and LML were crappy?
Aimee wrote:You are aware that we are on Page 1/2 right?
Oh, I'm not arguing against the wagons on Jordan or Oman, I'm just explaining why I personally wasn't supporting them.
Aimee wrote:Does this mean the bandwagon on Oman, or Oman bandwagonning?
Oman's bandwaggoning.
Aimee wrote:Also, who do you actually think is suspicious?
No-one, yet...
ooba wrote:And doesn't it run the risk of backfiring? (i.e) What if there's a quick lynch even before you could unvote?
Not really. For there to be a quicklynch, the remaining scum would have to give themselves away as scum, which they wouldn't want to do on day 1!
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:45 am

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somestrangeflea wrote:
LaptopGun wrote:Really crappy evidence (I think I am reading to much into it), I just think I should point that out. It's enough to make me keep my vote on SSF for a little while.
Explain this please, I'm not really sure what you're getting at. You think my reasons for defending Oman and LML were crappy?
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No, no. I was saying I had some minor suspicons about you for crappy evidence. You seemed to defend 2 people in your post, one who was really suspicous and one who was pushing a vote. It struck me as odd, but hardly anything to build a case on. It did however make me keep my random vote where was.

I dont think your reasons for "defending" for particuarly bad. Ok, I think Oman really doesn't have a lot of "good about him, but you did offer reasons for your defense. I use defense here more or less in a general sense, not that you really like them. Sorry for the confusion. Oh, and I like the Kirby avatar.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:47 am

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ABWOP
I don't think I explained my post well (again). I mean my suspicions are really not concrete, more of noting behavior.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:48 am

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Aimee, if you continued reading you would've seen that I did contribute.

As for Shteven's claim. Yes, he is too defensive. Yes, he was a townie. Yes, he is being over defensive right now. Scumtell? Not yet. It took me over 100 pages of Shteven for be to finally get a good townie feeling from his posts. Currently i'd say it's a nulltell.

skitzer, short posts =/= townie.

I'm on the Jordan wagon to get things moving. Mountain of a molehill really. I'm going to leave my vote there for now though.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:50 am

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LaptopGun wrote:
somestrangeflea wrote:
LaptopGun wrote:Really crappy evidence (I think I am reading to much into it), I just think I should point that out. It's enough to make me keep my vote on SSF for a little while.
Explain this please, I'm not really sure what you're getting at. You think my reasons for defending Oman and LML were crappy?
No, no. I was saying I had some minor suspicons about you for crappy evidence. You seemed to defend 2 people in your post, one who was really suspicous and one who was pushing a vote. It struck me as odd, but hardly anything to build a case on. It did however make me keep my random vote where was.

I dont think your reasons for "defending" for particuarly bad. Ok, I think Oman really doesn't have a lot of "good about him, but you did offer reasons for your defense. I use defense here more or less in a general sense, not that you really like them. Sorry for the confusion.
Oh, OK. Fair enough.
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:00 am

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White wrote:skitzer, short posts =/= townie.
Then Oman is scum.
Ooba is scum.
Most newbie players here are scum.
I don't get your post.
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:03 am

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White wrote:skitzer, short posts =/= townie.
Are you trying to tell me your not townie?

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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:07 am

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What...Sammich my opinion of you just went down the hole. Saying something is not a towntell is not saying it's a scumtell.

I'm saying (I can't believe i'm having to explain this) that short posts aren't a scumtell or towntell. Short posts aren't a tell at all. Saying someone is likely town because their posts are short is flawed logic.

Does that make sense?
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:10 am

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Yeah, but I was inflecting on your own playstyle.

White makes short posts = Townie
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:10 am

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White wrote:I'm saying (I can't believe i'm having to explain this) that short posts aren't a scumtell or towntell. Short posts aren't a tell at all. Saying someone is likely town because their posts are short is flawed logic.
Then why say it at all ? Or are you saying short posts aren't a town thing to do and to contribute more?
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:28 am

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Yeah, you didn't exactly help yourself white.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:07 am

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No access until either Sunday or Monday and I will have to re-read the thread then.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:24 am

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Well, I guess white isn't helping himself. I think the extrapolations are logical and it's not good. But suffice to say, everyone should post more and we'd know for sure who everyone was. Right :roll: . Chill guys. Speaking a lot does mean the mafia have more ammo to work with too. What's that proverb, let the gangster run out his own rope to hang themselves. It worls both ways. If it helps any, I dont put much stock in length of post analysts- unless of course someone has previous play experience with a particular player. If that player spoke a lot and was a townie, short posts maybe an indication of someone.

In the newbie games I've played the successful mafia players turned out to be the ones that got other players to talk about each other. If your experience is different, well hey, that's cool.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:27 am

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skitzer wrote:Yeah, but I was inflecting on your own playstyle.

White makes short posts = Townie
White makes long posts = SCUM!
I know this to be untrue. He was making monster long posts in the newbie game in which I wrecked him in. He was town and mislynched.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:28 am

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For me personally, short posts are a pain because it's hard to get a feel for the player from so little. While the player may not be trying to hide, it feels like they are, and so I get more suspicious of them.

It could just be that my style is to respond to everything and so the contrast throws me off, who knows. Or maybe it feels too much like lurking...

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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:45 am

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LML, maybe I'm wrong. Just from my own experiences.
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:09 am

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Oman, your carelessness of bandwagoning is going to hurt you. It is highly suspicious and evcen hurts the town.

Whites post about short post=/=townie is, in my opinion is a nulltell, if we continue to go off on such a tangent, we might become to focused and miss scum. Not saying that white isn't scum either, I wouldn't know.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:30 am

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Skitzer, how many games are we in that my alignment is known (ie i'm dead)? Zero. You can't meta me for scum/town if you don't know my alignment.
oobo wrote:Then why say it at all ? Or are you saying short posts aren't a town thing to do and to contribute more?
Because I was asked, duh.
Am I saying that? No! If you read the post you can see very clearly what i'm saying. Stop stuffing words in my mouth.
skitzer wrote:Yeah, but I was inflecting on your own playstyle.

White makes short posts = Townie
White makes long posts = SCUM!
First off, I haven't died in any games we're in together. So you can't know this.
Secondly it's untrue, when i'm scum and town I still try and contribute and scum hunt.
Thirdly you can't know my playstyle.

Unvote, Vote: Skitzer
for craplogic and being deliberately obtuse and unhelpful, in addition to distracting the town and not scumhunting.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:37 am

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Every game I'm in says I'm "deliberately unhelpful". Maybe I'm just a bad Mafia player. If i knew how, I would. I'm trying, I swear, but I don't know...

Maybe I'll just keep my mouth shut!
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:38 am

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take a breather white. Advice from one friend to another.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:41 am

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I'm sorry for being so crude...

ARGH! I'm TALKING AGAIN!

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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:42 am

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White wrote:Skitzer, how many games are we in that my alignment is known (ie i'm dead)? Zero. You can't meta me for scum/town if you don't know my alignment.
Yes, but he could have looked back at games you were in which are now finished and noticed this correlation.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:44 am

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Yeah. BTW Jordan, I said there was a bandwagon on you in a diff game, in which you were the mod. LOL did you notic that?
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:46 am

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skitzer, don't really know you, but I'll give the same advice. Take a breather. Posting when your frustrated makes people think you are mafia. Trust me, I've been there.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:49 am

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Thank you for the advice. White is the main source of my frustration.
I'll be better tomorrow.

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