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: (expired on 2015-08-21 15:00:00)

Another useless role that didn't target sonic. Yeah clearly I believe it.

In post 3501, vezokpiraka wrote:Another useless role that didn't target sonic. Yeah clearly I believe it.

Good point.

We haven't seen any targeting abilities that aren't x-shot yet either, I believe. Even though this role is crappy, I don't think it would break the mould. Correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm too lazy to check all the flips.

the commuter was technically not x-shot

The commuter was non consecutive.

In post 3503, NicCage wrote:We haven't seen any targeting abilities that aren't x-shot yet either, I believe. Even though this role is crappy, I don't think it would break the mould. Correct me if I'm wrong though, I'm too lazy to check all the flips.

In post 3504, Xtoxm wrote:the commuter was technically not x-shot

He said targeting. And he was wrong. Fro99er(Jaspar) could target an unlimited number of times, and so could Skybird(Onion).

Hey Maxwell, can you tell us what Skybird stole and who they stole it from? In here or in our alliance PT. Our PT might be better, but, ya know, up to you. Either way you should tell us...pretty bad town play to let that knowledge die with you.

-Cerb

In post 3491, Reasonably Rational wrote:motion detector triggers if the target performs an action, or is the target of an action, so if you were targeted by something you wouldn't necessarily know you were targeted.

Oh god please don't remind me.

*ahem*

Motion Detectors are, as of right now, currently defined as the above states by Normal standards. However, this is a highly-contested debate and far from universal; the change was made only a few months ago and to very high resistance even inside the NRG. Motion Detectors were originally defined as an alternative title to "Weak Voyeur*" (the wiki has since been changed over the years, but take it from me, that IS how it used to be): the variant on Voyeur that sees an action has been done, but not what type nor by whom. (This is, incidentally, the version I advocated as standard.)

, there have also been people who for some reason used Motion Detector to mean "Weak Follower" (aka, Reporter**, which is what I advocated that role being called), and that version was advocated as well. With conflicts over which version to call Motion Detector, eventually, N decided to compromise and have the Motion Detector officially do . (Leaving neither side happy.)

*Technically, it wasn't called a Weak Voyeur, though some games may have used that title. It was just called a Voyeur, but was noted as being weaker than the version of Voyeur we currently know as a Voyeur, but on the WIKI page, it was defined as being "weak version" and "strong version" for the same role (as in, the wiki page was divided into two halves: a "weak version" section describing the weaker variant of voyeur, and "strong version" describing the stronger variant of voyeur, roughly akin to a page containing "role variants" but with neither recognized as being the main one--one of the reasons voyeur became the strong version was because the weak version HAD an alternative title of Motion Detector), with a note on the weak version that an alternative title for the weak version was Motion Detector.

**One of the main reasons that I got overruled there is that there are at minimum three different versions of the role called Reporter. I don't really know or care about the other two, but one of them was in fact defined as, "Sees if a person has done an action, but not what type or on whom".

So there's no consensus on what Motion Detectors do.
/History lecture. (Admittedly a history lecture with a biased viewpoint, but one all the same. I've been around for quite a while; I know these things. What the wiki is now is different from what the wiki used to be.)

In post 3490, Xtoxm wrote:whether or not it was a slip is not actually relevant, the claim is non-redeeming either way

^Truth.

Interesting. So, we also need Maxwell to come back and tell us exactly what his results were(because it does seem like his results were different than those one would expect from a Motion Detector who functions the way I expected them to), on the off chance that we're wrong and he isn't scum.

-Cerb

In post 3501, vezokpiraka wrote:Another useless role that didn't target sonic. Yeah clearly I believe it.

And yet, you haven't voted Maxwell.

(It should be noted that, yes, we did debate the flavor behind the name Motion Detector, too. I said that motion detectors are akin to seeing something coming in. For instance, my house has motion detectors timed for the night, so that whenever a car comes home, lights come on allowing us to see. Advocates of the weak tracker/follower version insisted that motion detectors detect if someone is leaving their house. N more or less concluded that they do both, so we got left with a role that neither side particularly thought of as being very useful.)

Mastin, I specifically asked vezok to not vote until we have things sorted with alliances and such. His vote would put max at L-1. It's clear there's plenty of intent to lynch him, but I don't see why we want to just keep piling votes on when there's still information we KNOW he can give us if he's town, and there are still things we should want to have worked out.

What would you suggest regarding fuzzy? He needs to ally with someone who it would be worth motivating, and preferably someone who we already know has a limited shot ability of some sort, so there's no exposure of further information to scum(assuming he isn't).

-Cerb

Cerb - I left you a nice LONG present in our allied chat.

Now, I need to get to work on the prep stage for VCA.

Bizarrely, Maxwell and Fuzzy aren't crossvoting each other, which lends itself to scum-scum who just suck.

God this game is so fucking easy.

In post 3511, Reasonably Rational wrote:What would you suggest regarding fuzzy?

Bluntly, I have no interest in dealing with the topic of fuzzy one way or another. What happens, happens. He gets lynched, okay. He doesn't, fine for now. If you have thoughts, then you put them forward.

In post 3513, T S O wrote:Bizarrely, Maxwell and Fuzzy aren't crossvoting each other, which lends itself to scum-scum who just suck.

^This, too.

Constantine and Replace-in both cross-voted; neither Maxwell nor Fuzzy have.

In post 3513, T S O wrote:Bizarrely, Maxwell and Fuzzy aren't crossvoting each other, which lends itself to scum-scum who just suck.

God this game is so fucking easy.

You can post in hydra TSO. :-p

~ObvTitus

I guess it is possible for Fuzzy and Maxwell to both be scum

I feel better about a fuzzy lynch though. If there was any truth to him being a motivator, that lynch should take priority.

In post 3518, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:I feel better about a fuzzy lynch though. If there was any truth to him being a motivator, that lynch should take priority.

What's wrong with being a motivator?

It depends on whether the moderator allows the motivator to double the night kill. In that case it is extremely powerful.

No I think it only refills x shots. But I could be wrong

Hermit
My power only alows to return an x shot but I can only do it once every four days. I get this power back during the season finale. I hwve to ally with the person to use my power on them. Yes I can be a powerful piece on the chess board. I imagine the scum will either kill me or try to manipulate me until using my power to help them.

Sonic
I didnt ally with anyone so far. Never had the opptunity to .Day 1 and day 2 I been an outcast bc I been scum read by many plus many of the players had thier agenda. Day 3 ended too fast to align with anyone. I picked Mastin for varies reason which I have explained in several post.

RR
I was adressing Sonic who for some reason keep pushing the same point even after I explained it several time. He keep saying I am scum bc I didnt use my power on him and I am scum bc I didnt use my power on certain players.

TW
See my answer to Sonic about why I didnt ally.What is your responce to the claim by Ricastle you claimed Lighthouse monster in your PT.

Nic
Are you Pearl or did you steal that role

In post 3495, vezokpiraka wrote:I'd rather lynch fuzzy based on flavor. Watermelon steven is a believable claim. Three people are not.

This needs to stop. UNVOTE: fuzzy

VOTE: vezokpiraka

In post 3517, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:I guess it is possible for Fuzzy and Maxwell to both be scum

I'd ask what changed besides the inevitableness of maxwells position that made you take the jump in your read on him between your last string of posts until now.

But you'd probably just say 'gut' again..