Holy wrote:Tarhalindur wrote:Holy, your recent posts analyzing the item/shop situation is pinging my scumdar. I would like you to list the three players you think are most likely to be scum, with reasons.
Tar, the situation even though we're on Day 3, are still confusing. We don't know whether we have succeed lynched a scum or not, and how many scum were eliminated after the mod kill. Also, the newspaper didn't help us much until now, the information of BM's and MoS' alignment is quite helpful to me.
With that unclear-ness, I want to share part of my list to the town and see maybe someone is able to draw a connection from it to something helpful. Noticed, I only shared the list of the dead people plus some thoughts and their said items (list 1), and drawing possibly connection from a
weird occurrence
on a dead player item list to another player who coincidentally was also dead (list 2).
Actually, I made 1 mistake on each of my list, but it was minor, so I don't feel the need to correct them hastily, and also don't feel like I want to share more than the info of the dead, at least for now.
So far, from the beginning of Day 3 until now, you didn't show any good interest at all with these unclear-ness by engaging with some players for more elaborated views of why you think it was crappy or maybe it was make sense after all. But you just jumped and ready to take person by person down from your so-called logic. And with my vote on taut already, I guess I already give you enough hint of my top two suspects, don't I?
Holy, what drew my eye to you was the fact that you've been making long posts about game theory today, but I haven't seen much analysis of players. That raises the possibility of the IIoA tell (information instead of analysis, where scum talk about game theory in order to avoid taking a potentially unpopular stand on another player). Your failure to provide a third scum candidate and minimal explanation of why you think tautology is scum do not help your case.
That said, you're definitely not the scummiest player right now, for two reasons.
Reason #2: Kinetic, who just jumped up my scumdar considerably. Seriously, jumping out to defend a newer player by attacking the person who questioned her? That's one of the biggest tells in my book - when I've seen players act like you just did, they have usually been scum (either defending a buddy or trying to pick up a pet townie).
As for the "why don't you give your own Top 3 Scum List"... um, because I wanted to give two of my top suspects a chance to explain themselves to make sure that I wasn't misinterpreting their actions? Because I wanted to see who Holy was suspicious of other than taut (with an eye out for unique targets) and the reasoning behind her belief that Taut is scum before I called IIoA on her? Because I needed to confirm that soupfly's logic for the item claim was scumlogic (after all, he might have seen something I had not...)?
Finally, don't try to claim "hey look, I'm UNK, I must be town!". I've seen a few too many UNK scum for me to trust that claim without reservations (and I won't discount the possibility that you're scum trying to avoid being vigged tonight).
Even with those problems, however, there is someone even more likely to be scum in the game...
Reason #1: Soupfly, who has just proven that I had very good cause to ask him for his reasoning. I asked him to elaborate on why he thought certain stores were scum because
the only references to scum stores among living players that I could find came from the Mafia Courier-Journal, aka the completely unreliable scum-written newspaper
, and Soupfly just confirmed that the Courier-Journal was, in fact, the source for all but one of his claimed scum stores. You then claim that it is a known fact that these stores belong to scum. Considering the source, I call bullshit.
I can see clear scum motivations for wanting to know which players have which stores. Take a look at the opening post - notice how the tech stores tend to drop items that have an inherent effect, such as email, messenger, and spam? Not to mention the winery and distillery - I would think that double vote would be a strong incentive for scum to try to get their hands on alcohol (not to mention the possibility of scum having kids if we have coed scum groups). Any of the remaining unclaimed tech/alcohol stores (Best Buy and Google are probably tech stores, and Winery/Distillery are practically guaranteed to have alcohol) would be golden targets for scum trying to get their hands on good items. I can't see a similar motivation for town to want to out the big stores.
Top 3 Scum List:
Soupfly
Kinetic
Holy
Dishonorable Mention: JDodge (he tunnel-visioned on BM, but he's nowhere near as bad as some other players)
Vote: Soupfly, FoS: Kinetic, FoS: Holy
