Micro 431 - Noughts and Crosses Mafia

[Pine]

Nope

[Mathdino]

Why aren't you following the thread? I have a vote on RedCoyote.

I wrote about the one part that stuck out to me because everyone else already hit home the rest of it. I didn't need to go over it again with the same brush.

Nevermind, I hadn't noticed that you'd RVS'd him. My bad.

I suppose this is fair. I assume, based on your post, that your RVS vote is serious now and you would like to see RedCoyote lynched, then?

Yes I would like to see RedCoyote lynched currently based on him agreeing to lynch a confirmed townie, and based on my post earlier.

RedCoyote's justification was more elaborate than that, and so is the case against him. This looks like distancing

I agree actually. The wording seems really really off here, seems like overexplanation.

Considering lynching Equinox if RC flips scum (Kaboose is centre top right?).

[Mathdino]

nope never mind forgot the square

Considering lynching myself if RC flips scum. This guarantees a vettrock kill which forces us to lynch Kaboose rather than Equinox.

[Pine]

Nah. There's a pretty obvious next lynch, though I'd rather not elaborate

[Kaboose]

Nope

Okay

[Mathdino]

Noughts and Crosses Mafia

T-Bone	Belisarius	Mathdino
Kaboose	Pine	vettrock
Equinox	Scripten	RedCoyote

Assume we lynch RC. We can choose from the following death orders:

T-Bone -> {Belisarius, Kaboose, Scripten, vettrock}
Belisarius -> {Mathdino, Kaboose, vettrock, Equinox}
Mathdino -> vettrock -> Kaboose -> anyone
Kaboose -> {Belisarius, Mathdino, Equinox, Scripten}
vettrock -> Mathdino -> Equinox -> Scripten
Equinox -> Scripten -> Belisarius -> anyone
Scripten -> Equinox -> Mathdino -> vettrock

[Empking]

The joint-busiest vote count so far

RedCoyote (3) - Kaboose, Equinox, Scripten
Pine (1) - RedCoyote

Note Voting:T-Bone, Pine, Belisarius, vettrock, Mathdino
Five votes to lynch.
(expired on 2014-12-25 09:48:12)

[Belisarius]

Nah. There's a pretty obvious next lynch, though I'd rather not elaborate

Although you'll definitely die before you can elaborate?

A yes or no answer will suffice.

VOTE: RedCoyote

I grow weary of waiting.

[Mathdino]

Nah. There's a pretty obvious next lynch, though I'd rather not elaborate

Although you'll definitely die before you can elaborate?

A yes or no answer will suffice.

VOTE: RedCoyote

I grow weary of waiting.

LOL

Belisarius is now the top of my townreads.

[Mathdino]

1. T-Bone -> {Belisarius, Kaboose, Scripten, vettrock}
2. Belisarius -> {Mathdino, Kaboose, vettrock, Equinox}
3. Mathdino -> vettrock -> Kaboose -> anyone
4. Kaboose -> {Belisarius, Mathdino, Equinox, Scripten}
5. vettrock -> Mathdino -> Equinox -> Scripten
6. Equinox -> Scripten -> Belisarius -> anyone
7. Scripten -> Equinox -> Mathdino -> vettrock

Numbered so we can talk about them. 1, 2, and 4 obviously suck since they give control of the board to scum. T-Bone is the only person we can't force a death on; if we want to lynch T-Bone, we better be damn sure he's the last scum or we're fucked.

I REALLY hate 6 since it has all my townreads. My favourite is probably 3. Could settle for 7 if something pops up.

[Mathdino]

Checking in.

We have to make a choice early on, are we going to play tic tac toe or are we going to play mafia? I think so long as we block scum, there's no reason to focus on tic tac toe. Essentially scum go 2nd (in a proper game), meaning there is no scenario in which they should win in a proper game of tic tac toe. Trying to play tie tac toe is kinda dumb, we're all adults (mostly) and can reasonably play an optimal game of tic tac toe.

pre-edit: basically what Belisarus said...though I think I used prettier words

Actually if anything we should let scum play tic tac toe....because it'll be very telling who they do and don't kill based on the state of the board. Let scum play tic tac toe and we can play mafia.

We'd have to bag scum in the first 4 people normally anyway?

I don't understand where you are coming from.

Okay I kinda get what you're saying. What I'm saying is that we're damned if we do, damned if we don't, I think we're best served to focus on mafia more. Because you're kinda right, at a certain point we will be dictating who they kill and they will be dictating whom we lynch. On Day 1 though....this isn't true and we can play nearly normally.

I do agree, gotta lynch a corner, but we can make an informed decision. I feel like this discussion is all about beholding ourselves to tic tac toe, and we don't need to do that.

You can block those 'inevitable wins' if you know what you're doing so...

I guess so? I dunno, I seriously wrote a 5-page research paper in college about how to play tic tac toe (yes, really), there isn't anything that would surprise me at the very least.

Meanwhile, lynching RC makes you practically immune, yet your ISO is strangely quiet.
VOTE: T-Bone
Pressure.

[Belisarius]

Nah. There's a pretty obvious next lynch, though I'd rather not elaborate

Although you'll definitely die before you can elaborate?

A yes or no answer will suffice.

VOTE: RedCoyote

I grow weary of waiting.

LOL

Belisarius is now the top of my townreads.

Some day, I'll understand why someone townreads me, and on that day, Armageddon shall ensue. Yet when townMe relies on this, I get lynched or forced to claim. For this reason, I consider my atheism justified.

[vettrock]

Noughts and Crosses Mafia

T-Bone	Belisarius	Mathdino
Kaboose	Pine	vettrock
Equinox	Scripten	RedCoyote

Assume we lynch RC. We can choose from the following death orders:

T-Bone -> {Belisarius, Kaboose, Scripten, vettrock}
Belisarius -> {Mathdino, Kaboose, vettrock, Equinox}
Mathdino -> vettrock -> Kaboose -> anyone
Kaboose -> {Belisarius, Mathdino, Equinox, Scripten}
vettrock -> Mathdino -> Equinox -> Scripten
Equinox -> Scripten -> Belisarius -> anyone
Scripten -> Equinox -> Mathdino -> vettrock

If we lynch RedCoyote, the only real viable options, and the chain assuming the scum NK Pine:

1. Lynch vettrock, forces NK on Mathdino, forced Lynch of Equinox. If {RedCoyote,vettrock,Mathdino,Equinox} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
2. Lynch Mathdino, forces NK on vettrock, forced Lynch of Kaboose. If {RedCoyote,vettrock,Mathdino,Kaboose} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
3. Lynch Scripten, forces NK on Equinox, forced Lynch of Mathdino. If {RedCoyote,Scripten,Equinox, Mathdino} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
4. Lynch Equinox, forces NK on Scripten, forced Lynch of Belisarius. If {RedCoyote,Scripten,Equinox, Mathdino} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.

If we select anything else other than the above after a RC lynch, we conceed control of the board to scum, as they can NK, and force our lynches at that point.
The pattern is the same but with different names if we lynch one of the other corners. Once we do our first lynch, our options are limited.

For the other corners:
If we lynch T-bone first, the only real viable options, and the chain assuming the scum NK Pine:

1. Lynch Belisarius, forces NK on Mathdino, forced Lynch of Equinox. If {T-Bone,Belisarius,Mathdino,Equinox} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
2. Lynch Mathdino, forces NK on Belisarius, forced Lynch of Scripten. If {T-Bone,Belisarius,Mathdino,Scripten} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
3. Lynch Kaboose, forces NK on Equinox, forced Lynch of Mathdino. If {T-Bone,Kaboose,Equinox, Mathdino} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
4. Lynch Equinox, forces NK on Kaboose, forced Lynch of vettrock. If {T-Bone,Kaboose,Equinox, vettrock} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.

If we lynch Equinox first, the only real viable options, and the chain assuming the scum NK Pine:

1. Lynch Scripten, forces NK on RedCoyote, forced Lynch of T-Bone. If {Equinox,Scripten,RedCoyote,T-Bone} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
2. Lynch RedCoyote, forces NK on Scripten, forced Lynch of Belisarius. If {Equinox,Scripten,RedCoyote,Belisarius} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
3. Lynch Kaboose, forces NK on T-Bone, forced Lynch of RedCoyote. If {Equinox,T-Bone,Kaboose,RedCoyote} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
4. Lynch T-Bone, forces NK on Kaboose, forced Lynch of vettrock. If {Equinox,T-Bone,Kaboose,vettrock} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.

If we lynch Mathdino first, the only real viable options, and the chain assuming the scum NK Pine:

1. Lynch vettrock, forces NK on RedCoyote, forced Lynch of T-Bone. If {Mathdino, vettrock,RedCoyote,T-Bone} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
2. Lynch RedCoyote, forces NK on vettrock, forced Lynch of Kaboose. If {Mathdino, vettrock,RedCoyote,Kaboose} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
3. Lynch Belisarius, forces NK on T-Bone, forced Lynch of RedCoyote. If {Mathdino,Belisarius,T-Bone,RedCoyote} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
4. Lynch T-Bone, forces NK on Belisarius, forced Lynch of Scripten. If {Mathdino,Belisarius,T-bone,Scripten} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.

[Belisarius]

I expect scum to be in {RC, vettrock, T-Bone} so I'm fine with this. In this setup, I'm even freed of my normal preference for being NK'd instead of lynched due to the lack of culpability. BRING IT!

[Mathdino]

if T-Bone makes it to LyLo we can lynch him

scum getting opposite corners is actually a huge advantage

[Pine]

Nah. There's a pretty obvious next lynch, though I'd rather not elaborate

Although you'll definitely die before you can elaborate?

A yes or no answer will suffice.

VOTE: RedCoyote

I grow weary of waiting.

Depends. If I were them, I wouldn't shoot me

I'm pretty much ready to lynch

[Mathdino]

T-Bone needs to give a lot more input than he already has before I'm near ready for a lynch.

I also want reads from the people who've spent all their time setup speccing.

[Pine]

Like vettrock

[Mathdino]

Noughts and Crosses Mafia

T-Bone	Belisarius	Mathdino
Kaboose	Pine	vettrock
Equinox	Scripten	RedCoyote

Assume we lynch RC. We can choose from the following death orders:

T-Bone -> {Belisarius, Kaboose, Scripten, vettrock}
Belisarius -> {Mathdino, Kaboose, vettrock, Equinox}
Mathdino -> vettrock -> Kaboose -> anyone
Kaboose -> {Belisarius, Mathdino, Equinox, Scripten}
vettrock -> Mathdino -> Equinox -> Scripten
Equinox -> Scripten -> Belisarius -> anyone
Scripten -> Equinox -> Mathdino -> vettrock

If we lynch RedCoyote, the only real viable options, and the chain assuming the scum NK Pine:

1. Lynch vettrock, forces NK on Mathdino, forced Lynch of Equinox. If {RedCoyote,vettrock,Mathdino,Equinox} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
2. Lynch Mathdino, forces NK on vettrock, forced Lynch of Kaboose. If {RedCoyote,vettrock,Mathdino,Kaboose} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
3. Lynch Scripten, forces NK on Equinox, forced Lynch of Mathdino. If {RedCoyote,Scripten,Equinox, Mathdino} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
4. Lynch Equinox, forces NK on Scripten, forced Lynch of Belisarius. If {RedCoyote,Scripten,Equinox, Mathdino} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.

If we select anything else other than the above after a RC lynch, we conceed control of the board to scum, as they can NK, and force our lynches at that point.
The pattern is the same but with different names if we lynch one of the other corners. Once we do our first lynch, our options are limited.

For the other corners:
If we lynch T-bone first, the only real viable options, and the chain assuming the scum NK Pine:

1. Lynch Belisarius, forces NK on Mathdino, forced Lynch of Equinox. If {T-Bone,Belisarius,Mathdino,Equinox} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
2. Lynch Mathdino, forces NK on Belisarius, forced Lynch of Scripten. If {T-Bone,Belisarius,Mathdino,Scripten} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
3. Lynch Kaboose, forces NK on Equinox, forced Lynch of Mathdino. If {T-Bone,Kaboose,Equinox, Mathdino} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
4. Lynch Equinox, forces NK on Kaboose, forced Lynch of vettrock. If {T-Bone,Kaboose,Equinox, vettrock} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.

If we lynch Equinox first, the only real viable options, and the chain assuming the scum NK Pine:

1. Lynch Scripten, forces NK on RedCoyote, forced Lynch of T-Bone. If {Equinox,Scripten,RedCoyote,T-Bone} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
2. Lynch RedCoyote, forces NK on Scripten, forced Lynch of Belisarius. If {Equinox,Scripten,RedCoyote,Belisarius} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
3. Lynch Kaboose, forces NK on T-Bone, forced Lynch of RedCoyote. If {Equinox,T-Bone,Kaboose,RedCoyote} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
4. Lynch T-Bone, forces NK on Kaboose, forced Lynch of vettrock. If {Equinox,T-Bone,Kaboose,vettrock} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.

If we lynch Mathdino first, the only real viable options, and the chain assuming the scum NK Pine:

1. Lynch vettrock, forces NK on RedCoyote, forced Lynch of T-Bone. If {Mathdino, vettrock,RedCoyote,T-Bone} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
2. Lynch RedCoyote, forces NK on vettrock, forced Lynch of Kaboose. If {Mathdino, vettrock,RedCoyote,Kaboose} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
3. Lynch Belisarius, forces NK on T-Bone, forced Lynch of RedCoyote. If {Mathdino,Belisarius,T-Bone,RedCoyote} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.
4. Lynch T-Bone, forces NK on Belisarius, forced Lynch of Scripten. If {Mathdino,Belisarius,T-bone,Scripten} has zero scum, we loose. If it has one scum, we are in 3p LyLo. Two scum, we win.

i mean let's be honest

this post indicates a lot of effort

but it's the farthest thing from useful

we're pretty much lynching RC anyway

and seriously who's going to read this

[Belisarius]

Nah. There's a pretty obvious next lynch, though I'd rather not elaborate

Although you'll definitely die before you can elaborate?

A yes or no answer will suffice.

VOTE: RedCoyote

I grow weary of waiting.

Depends. If I were them, I wouldn't shoot me

I'm pretty much ready to lynch

Don't tempt me when I've been drinking, I swear to god I'll make Frankie Boyle look like Mary Poppins.

[Belisarius]

Also @Math, I read that. I was unmoved by it though, and would not counsel a townie to bother.

[Pine]

I didn't bother

[T-Bone]

*goes offline for sleep and work*

*isn't putting in "effort"*

lol

So, does it change anyone's opinion that in the first two instances of this set-up someone always suggests that town lynches the IC for board control?

[T-Bone]

Like, this isn't some crazy new thing that Pine just thought of this game...

[Belisarius]

Really no sense reading scumposting anyways, so no harm done. You know what would be more pro town? A survey about condom flavours.

Pedit: It disnae change fuck all.