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Dunno about the first few days, but everything about the last couple was splendid. Definitely one of the most fun games I've played

Gratz, TSO!

Well, it seems that my read was correct about you... however, as far as I can remember, I had a fight with you, Garmr (Pine) and Slandaar (maybe Flubber too???) on Day1, assumed a TSO–Csareo (Reinoe) scumpair...
I strongly think that my half-life in this game was shorter than a neutronless heavy-nucleus has. ^_^

In post 7141, Nero Cain wrote:sorry Thor

Eh, it happens.

You pulled out a good game, TSO. I'm not even mad, Town deserved to lose after the dave lynch.

In post 7158, goodmorning wrote:You pulled out a good game, TSO. I'm not even mad, Town deserved to lose after the dave lynch.

Town deserved to lose after a Day 2 lynch of town?
Followed by 4 scum lynches in a row?
I disagree with your concept of logic - town lost because scum basically refused to shoot other scum and town was dying in droves despite accurate lynching.

In post 7158, goodmorning wrote:You pulled out a good game, TSO. I'm not even mad, Town deserved to lose after the dave lynch.

Thank you!

In post 7159, Thor665 wrote:

In post 7158, goodmorning wrote:You pulled out a good game, TSO. I'm not even mad, Town deserved to lose after the dave lynch.

Town deserved to lose after a Day 2 lynch of town?
Followed by 4 scum lynches in a row?
I disagree with your concept of logic - town lost because scum basically refused to shoot other scum and town was dying in droves despite accurate lynching.

It's like shooting people you expect to flip town but are dangerous isn't a legitimate tactic at all!

From my team's POV, we shot Egg n1, who we expected to flip town, n2 we shot Fonz, who I -think- we also expected to flip town, n3 we shot Beast, who we knew would flip town, n4 we shot Axle who we expected to flip town, n5 we went for the Pine-scum shot and were correct but the kill was stopped, and n6 we shot you, who we knew would flip town.

So it was a pretty deliberate tactic, really - you act like scum should always try to shoot other scum when that's not really the case. Like, for example, this game - we didn't do it and ended up winning.

Depends on your endgame - but I hardly think 'lack of cross kills' is an empty commentary about town's loss in this game.
Do you disagree?

Also, I do think your n4 and n5 shots were bad shots considering the state your team was in, yes.

And the Werewolves shot town PR's 3/4 nights, so their shooting wasn't bad either.

In post 7162, Thor665 wrote:Depends on your endgame - but I hardly think 'lack of cross kills' is an empty commentary about town's loss in this game.
Do you disagree?

It most certainly played a part, I'll grant you.

In post 7163, Thor665 wrote:Also, I do think your n4 and n5 shots were bad shots considering the state your team was in, yes.

Axle was really the only one particularly suspicious of me - I agree a WW crosskill could arguably have worked better but I felt WW's would be searching for crosskills on the last Mafia and at least one of them might townread me enough to not shoot me. Them consolidating reads seemed likelier to end up with TSO-town than a paranoid lone gunner.

In post 7164, T S O wrote:And the Werewolves shot town PR's 3/4 nights, so their shooting wasn't bad either.

I agree that their shooting was less bad than Mafias..

In post 7165, T S O wrote:

In post 7162, Thor665 wrote:Depends on your endgame - but I hardly think 'lack of cross kills' is an empty commentary about town's loss in this game.
Do you disagree?

It most certainly played a part, I'll grant you.

What else do you think played a part?
Because 1/2 Vig kills and 4/7 Lynches being accurate and 2 stopped kills is *not* bad town play. Town, over 50% of the time, was dealing with scum.
9/9 Scum kills being on town, however, is fairly devastating. Scum, 100% of the time, was not cross killing in a game built to balance via cross kills.

In post 7165, T S O wrote:Axle was really the only one particularly suspicious of me - I agree a WW crosskill could arguably have worked better but I felt WW's would be searching for crosskills on the last Mafia and at least one of them might townread me enough to not shoot me. Them consolidating reads seemed likelier to end up with TSO-town than a paranoid lone gunner.

There was a point where a town shot put Mafia into Lylo and a Wolf shot would have not done that - you are claiming that you chose the non functional shot.
There was then a second point where a town shot would, again, put Mafia to sort of a shooting lylo and a wolf shot would not have done that, and you again claim that you chose to take the less functional shot.
I don't debate that you won, and I don't disagree that you had no reason at all to shoot who you did. That doesn't change them from being sub-optimal kill choices.

In post 7155, Pine wrote:but everything about the last couple was splendid.

yeah town played pretty well the last few days. I wish that Boons hadn't voted so early last day.

I am claiming that I felt confident enough that I would not be lynched in LyLo with Axle dead that the shot became optimal for me. It's your subjective opinion that "not lylo > lylo" is always true and so my Axle shot was poor - it is mine that it's not and so my Axle shot was -the- optimal shot.

In relation to your second point - the Pine shot, presuming Pine killed (and why would he not), would have put me directly into 3-man LyLo - which was the best case scenario for me. Killing town, and presuming Pine would do the same (which would have been the case) would put me to 1:1:1 Kingmaker... so how exactly is Kingmaker optimal as opposed to 3-man LyLo? Especially since, if Nero was alive, he would quite probably have chosen the not-me scum faction to win?

And the kills I took put me in the best LyLo I could have had - so they seem pretty optimal to me.

In post 7168, T S O wrote:I am claiming that I felt confident enough that I would not be lynched in LyLo with Axle dead that the shot became optimal for me.

That was meaningless unless you knew who the Wolves were.

In post 7168, T S O wrote:In relation to your second point - the Pine shot, presuming Pine killed (and why would he not), would have put me directly into 3-man LyLo - which was the best case scenario for me. Killing town, and presuming Pine would do the same (which would have been the case) would put me to 1:1:1 Kingmaker... so how exactly is Kingmaker optimal as opposed to 3-man LyLo? Especially since, if Nero was alive, he would quite probably have chosen the not-me scum faction to win?

I agree, after the choice to shoot town the nights before, shooting Wolf successfully at that stage was your best strategy to win as Mafia.

In post 7169, Thor665 wrote:

In post 7168, T S O wrote:I am claiming that I felt confident enough that I would not be lynched in LyLo with Axle dead that the shot became optimal for me.

That was meaningless unless you knew who the Wolves were.

How so? Everyone alive was townreading me to various degrees.

Because whether or not you were lynched had nothing to do with you then having enough sway to create plurality on a Wolf nor of the Wolves having multiple chances to take you out.

In post 7167, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 7155, Pine wrote:but everything about the last couple was splendid.

yeah town played pretty well the last few days. I wish that Boons hadn't voted so early last day.

I think we were at the point for the game to be over with anyways. I didn't feel anything was going to change in the way we went about doing things. Neither of us were making a case on T S O.

In post 7171, Thor665 wrote:Because whether or not you were lynched had nothing to do with you then having enough sway to create plurality on a Wolf nor of the Wolves having multiple chances to take you out.

I have no idea what this means, but I'm fairly sure I disagree with it.

With Axle in the game, I stood a higher chance of eventual lynch.
If Axle was somehow WW, I stood a significantly higher chance of death by nightkill.

Axle was the best shot for me, period - I don't know how you fail to see this.