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No, because the wolf team is made up of:

Wolf 1-shot watcher
Wolf (assuming 1-shot) BP
Wolf Goon Neighbor

Mafia is made up of:

Mafia Even-Night Roleblocker
Mafia Odd-Night Rolecop

It doesn't make sense for mafia to have a BP as the 3rd role. Mafia would have significantly more power than wolves.

Also, I've been on every single one of the wagons that lynched Mafia/Werewolf. Every single one of them.

I don't necessarily think I've been derping around toDay. my reads have been rather strong as of late, and I have no reason to back down. I'd be dumb to not consider other possibilities as just that, possibilities.

In post 7050, Boonskiies wrote:It doesn't make sense for mafia to have a BP as the 3rd role. Mafia would have significantly more power than wolves.

Does it make sense for town to have a BP though?
I've been saying since yesterday that I have doubts as to the existence of your BP status.

, Town 2-shot Vigilante Neighbor, , Town Neighbor, , Town Tracker Neighbor, , Town Neighbor, Town 1-shot BP Neighbor

, Werewolf Goon Neighbor, , Town Neighbor,, Town Neighbor, , Town Neighbor

, Town Neighbor, , Town Neighbor, , Town Jailkeeper Neighbor


, Vanilla Townie
, Vanilla Townie
, Town Jack of All Trades (Bodyguard and Commuter),
, Town Prime-Night Cop,
, Mafia Odd-Night Rolecop,
, Mafia Even-Night Roleblocker
Werewolf 1-shot Watcher,
, Werewolf BP


From the looks of this, this setup does indeed look symmetrical. There should be a mafia goon neighbor, and it most likely is in Neighborhood #2.

In post 7051, Boonskiies wrote:Also, I've been on every single one of the wagons that lynched Mafia/Werewolf. Every single one of them.

Nero has been also - thoughts?

Yes, it does make sense. There is a JailKeeper and a 2 shot vig in this game. Not to mention, there is a JOAT who has a bodyguard and a commuter. It makes perfect sense.

In post 7054, Boonskiies wrote:From the looks of this, this setup does indeed look symmetrical. There should be a mafia goon neighbor, and it most likely is in Neighborhood #2.

I do tend to agree that there is a Mafia in the neighborhoods - I've been saying that for some time also.
Besies your role PM, what theory do you have that the Mafia neighbor needs to be in the same neighborhood as the Wolf one?

In post 7056, Boonskiies wrote:Yes, it does make sense. There is a JailKeeper and a 2 shot vig in this game. Not to mention, there is a JOAT who has a bodyguard and a commuter. It makes perfect sense.

Why?
You are literally listing 2 town protective roles, why should there be a third and why does it make perfect sense?

In post 7055, Thor665 wrote:

In post 7051, Boonskiies wrote:Also, I've been on every single one of the wagons that lynched Mafia/Werewolf. Every single one of them.

Nero has been also - thoughts?

I haven't ruled out T S O entirely. As much as I want to, I believe he may be playing a very strong scum game this time around. Although, we were able to check the set up spec a few days ago, and talked about it being symmetrical. It sure seems like it is. One of them to be the mafia. I'm still betting it's Nero. I'm going to have to go back and analyze his votes.

It's multiball, so causing confusion with the NK's is key, especially fitting the Masquerade theme. My BP is a perfect counter to your jailkeeper, especially if your Role PM did specifically say that it can only stop 1-shot. Neighborhood #3, and Neighborhood #1 are similar. I'm seeing them both as all town. Also, if we combined them into one Neighborhood, it would make an even 4 Town Neighbors, and 4 PR's. This coincides with the 2 PR, 2 VT outside of the neighborhood. There are 2 scum in neighborhood #2. Everything has been symmetrical.

In post 7038, T S O wrote:

In post 7033, Thor665 wrote:Everyone always goes so quiet at these points.

It's kind of annoying, because I usually translate that as a scum tell - yet all of you are doing it multiple times. It bugs the living feth out of me.

Well, your first post was at 3 am, and your second at 7:30 or so - I do this thing called bed usually.

In post 7037, Pine wrote:Ehh, there's an outside chance that Boon is completely bullshitting the BP claim, and no kill happened because he shot at me. I rather think he's town tho

Do you think he's town by play or by claim? If it's the former I completely fail to see it - if it's the latter I'm getting more and more doubtful of the claim itself being true at all.

Also - good game, Pine. You were playing well until your defense of Slandaar - that was what swung it irrevocably for me.

Town by claim, mostly. Setup-spec wise, Town is rather weak on defensive roles. 1-shot commute, 1-shot doc, Jailkeeper is rather light considering multiball. Bulletproof makes sense to me.

As for defending Slandaar, I . That's what was so frustrating. There was a decent case for him to be Maf, and it was a safe position for me to take. In theory, it should have let me write him off and never talk about him, and then gave me a good excuse to push hard against lynching him. It was defense without defense, you see? If I'd been Town and thought Slandaar was Maf, I'd probably have been even more vigorous in opposing his lynch, as lynching Maf D5 was a game win for Wolves. It still baffles me that y'all weren't seeing that.

In fact, come to think of it, your absolute refusal to wrap your head around my insistence that he was Mafia suggests to me that the Maf is you

In post 7043, Thor665 wrote:

In post 6746, Slandaar wrote:I guess I better make sure you know; Town/Town/Maf. Cry at me postgame if you already knew but I feel I need to make sure.

This one.

Also - Slandaar, not Majiffy.

@Slandaar - sorry for insulting your play by confusing you two there

No idea

In post 7050, Boonskiies wrote:No, because the wolf team is made up of:

Wolf 1-shot watcher
Wolf (assuming 1-shot) BP
Wolf Goon Neighbor

Mafia is made up of:

Mafia Even-Night Roleblocker
Mafia Odd-Night Rolecop

It doesn't make sense for mafia to have a BP as the 3rd role. Mafia would have significantly more power than wolves.

This

In post 7058, Thor665 wrote:

In post 7056, Boonskiies wrote:Yes, it does make sense. There is a JailKeeper and a 2 shot vig in this game. Not to mention, there is a JOAT who has a bodyguard and a commuter. It makes perfect sense.

Why?
You are literally listing 2 town protective roles, why should there be a third and why does it make perfect sense?

Because 1-shot commute/1-shot doc is weak as fuck, and so is Town BP (it's better for scum). Together they make a halfway decent protective role. Not to mention that Jailkeeper can't really claim the mantle of protector, because it's primary utility (and the way it is usually used) is Roleblock

Also, 4 Town/4 Scum outside of the neighborhoods, 2 scum/2 town in neighborhood #2. The 4's and 2's keep coming together.

For what it's worth, Pine, I enjoyed playing with you quite a bit actually.

The roleblock carries protection as part of it - a jailkeeper starts defensive and moves investigative as the game proceeds.

Who were the Wolf kills?

^^^
@Pine

I mean, I'm investigative now if there's a kill, as it will clear someone if I jail them, natch.

, Town 2-shot Vigilante Neighbor, , Town Neighbor, , Town Tracker Neighbor, , Town Neighbor, Town 1-shot BP Neighbor

, Werewolf Goon Neighbor, , Town Neighbor,, Town Neighbor, , Mafia Goon Neighbor

, Town Neighbor, , Town Neighbor, , Town Jailkeeper Neighbor


, Vanilla Townie
, Vanilla Townie
, Town Jack of All Trades (Bodyguard and Commuter),
, Town Prime-Night Cop,
, Mafia Odd-Night Rolecop,
, Mafia Even-Night Roleblocker
Werewolf 1-shot Watcher,
, Werewolf BP


Just want to see how this looks.

Yeah, that seems about right.

Add Muffin as VT outside of a neighbor hood, forgot about the modkill. 5 Town outisde of neighborhoods, 5 in one neighborhood, 2 in N2, 3 in N3, which makes yet another 5. It's a symmetrical setup. I like it. It's pretty. Thor and I are confirmed Town.

In post 7051, Boonskiies wrote:Also, I've been on every single one of the wagons that lynched Mafia/Werewolf. Every single one of them.

As has Nero, and I bar one - where I called bullshit on Prime-Night Cop being a thing and voted Beast over reinoe. I don't know about Thor.

In post 7062, Boonskiies wrote:For what it's worth, Pine, I enjoyed playing with you quite a bit actually.

Likewise!

In post 7064, Thor665 wrote:^^^
@Pine

Nah, not telling. I'll give my opinions, but not taking sides. Either Town or Maf deserves this, not going to bias it with hard info

In post 7065, Thor665 wrote:I mean, I'm investigative now if there's a kill, as it will clear someone if I jail them, natch.

Not really. I'd intentionally no-kill if I were Maf. MyLo is better for scum than LyLo anyway

In post 7051, Boonskiies wrote:Also, I've been on every single one of the wagons that lynched Mafia/Werewolf. Every single one of them

Why are you claiming that this makes you town but...not me?

Why is everyone so hung up on that little statement? That's not even the main reason I was going for.

b/c your selective use is rather funky.

We're hung up on it because you presented it as evidence to support/prove you as town, and if it is evidence in your mind then there's a serious question as to how it applies to you and not Nero - especially when Nero has done it and TSO hasn't and you're needing to choose between TSO/Nero as regards your setup based reasoning for calling Nero scum.

@TSO - I think I may have been on every single lynch wagon in this game, quite frankly. I would even go so far as to claim being a leading force on all of them in addition, town, mafia, and wolf. 2 of each, I'm very open minded.

In post 2551, Aegor wrote:[12]

PeregrineV: Egg

, Thor665,

Scripten

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The Fonz, davesaz, TierShift, Shiro

, T S O,

Garmr

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AxleGreaser, Muffin

, Boonskiies

In post 4731, Aegor wrote:[9]

davesaz:

Thor665,

Josh_B

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AxleGreaser, The Fonz, Shiro

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Slandaar

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Nero Cain, beastcharizard

,

reinoe

In post 5337, Aegor wrote:[7]

reinoe:

beastcharizard

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Slandaar

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Nero Cain

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Josh_B

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Flubbernugget

, Thor665, Boonskiies

In post 6772, Aegor wrote:[4]

Slandaar

: Boonskiies, T S O, Thor665,

Nero Cain

There being no mafia on PV is kinda strange. I think this points to scum being in TSO,Thor or Boon but then I already knew that so meh...