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Uhhh, gm - I appreciated your support in those troubling times and all, but I don't remember us playing many games together. I think I can only remember one, actually.

Going to read up tonight and post tomorrow..Unless I see something I want to immediately address

In post 295, Goofyd00d wrote:About flying under the radar, I tend to do that when there is a lot of action. I'll soak it up and give some reads later. If you want something specific just ask, however that usually leads to me getting a lot of questions. I'll give some thoughts after work.

Some vague sense of any reads you might have would be helpful.

@dave etc: TSO is frequently angry.

In post 325, T S O wrote:Uhhh, gm - I appreciated your support in those troubling times and all, but I don't remember us playing many games together. I think I can only remember one, actually.

They've been stretched over the full time you've been onsite, so it's only about 1 game/2 months.
I also insta-scumread you in the first 4 and was Scum in one of the latter 2 iirc, so I could believe that you could forget.

In post 309, T S O wrote:Or it just shows that I tend to votepark and be forgetful as town. How do you know it's the former?

Because the former makes more sense to me than someone forgetting where their vote is within such a short time of making it.
Your answer here makes me want to vote you more - not less.

Well, it's great that you want to vote me even more now. Maybe you're actually going to- wait, you're already voting me.

The whole point of my answer, though, is that I can actually back up my meta of voteparking - not with examples, but with actual quotes of me saying I votepark. It's a recurrent habit, but it -is- my playstyle.

Hi, Grayfox!

@Everyone: I'm going to catchup soon.

In post 330, T S O wrote:Well, it's great that you want to vote me even more now. Maybe you're actually going to- wait, you're already voting me.

The whole point of my answer, though, is that I can actually back up my meta of voteparking - not with examples, but with actual quotes of me saying I votepark. It's a recurrent habit, but it -is- my playstyle.

Lay them on me then.

In post 330, T S O wrote:Well, it's great that you want to vote me even more now. Maybe you're actually going to- wait, you're already voting me.

The whole point of my answer, though, is that I can actually back up my meta of voteparking - not with examples, but with actual quotes of me saying I votepark. It's a recurrent habit, but it -is- my playstyle.

Knowing your own meta makes that meta useless. That is not a valid defence.

"Regarding the vote, I don't really know. I tend not to vote much and I tend to votepark."

That's from Finagling Hills. p sure I can provide more later but I have to go to bed.

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In post 254, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 250, TobyLoby wrote:

In post 237, Nero Cain wrote:A wagon on a town player going fast is an excellent indication of that player being town and scum piling on. + just 'cause a wagon is scum lead it doesn't mean all the scum are on it. So why are you feigning ignorance here? Also flipping your mind on someone is in no way alignment indicative.

You are using a hypothetical. Let's talk about what is happening in this game right now. Are you town reading Csareo? I didn't say you said all scum were on the Csareo wagon anywhere. If you think the wagon on Csareo is scum lead, who do you think is leading it then and why?

When I first read the thread there was this rapid fire "csareo is scum" and that made me pretty uneasy. So, who do you think has been the counter to him? I could see maybe Muffin scum hoping on. Yes, I think Csaro is probs town. Why have you not given a read on him?

What was your meaning behind this:

In post 197, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 191, Csareo wrote:Why would you be okay vigging me?

Well why should I think you are town?

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I gave my read on Csareo here.

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In post 250, Aneninen wrote:TSO knows how terrible Csareo is on Day1 and he also knows that he was town in that game. I simply don't understand why TSO's maintaining a long interaction with Csareo – he must have known that by getting involved in that would increase the "noise" in the thread. It's definitely anti-town and – in my opinion – scummy too.
There's something else which is merely an intuition. What if both of them are scum(s) and their Day1 is purely intentional?

Do you think T S O should be town reading Csareo for his play here based on past experiences? What are your thoughts on goodmorning?

The main scum intent I can see by T S O calling Csareo maybe town while voting him still is if they are scum together and T S O wants to make Csareo look good. Csareo's continued reaction makes me think nah. I also think based on that abandoned game together, scum T S O would believe that drawing attention to scum buddy Csareo is a bad idea given his prior lynch.

In post 309, T S O wrote:

In post 292, TierShift wrote:

In post 290, davesaz wrote:TSO looks like angry young person to me, not scum. That's fairly definitive. Scum don't do this except when thrashing around right before a lynch.

That is easy as shit to fake as scum. I do this when people accuse me of stupid things as scum.

Well, that's fantastic that you do it as scum, but I don't see why that's any way relevant to what I do as scum.

In post 297, TierShift wrote:

In post 296, davesaz wrote:I'm not saying T S O is town as a result, just saying it's null. Using meta to call it scum may be valid if he's scum when angry more often than not, but I can't use this directly.

This is the worst kind of meta tbh

My least favorite type of meta is when you use your own to somehow conclude I could easily be scum, but sure.

I was saying that being angry for getting stupidly attacked is super easy to fake as scum. I'm not saying you're scum for it, as you seem to conclude, but it's more null than anything. Why did you feel the need to defend the tell dave had on you?

In post 325, T S O wrote:Uhhh, gm - I appreciated your support in those troubling times and all, but I don't remember us playing many games together. I think I can only remember one, actually.

Where did this reply come from and what is it specifically responding to? GM hadn't posted for awhile before this.

@Tiershift: TSO started interacting with Csareo around post 90 or so and maybe he stopped doing it right before your post, 270. After that he started talking with Cho.
@Cho: I don't understand why you are willing to sheep Tiershift. He may be town but I can't see any obv-town signs in his posts.
@TobyLoby: No, I said TSO should have ignored Csareo instead of interacting with him. As for the other part, you might be right.

Goodmorning may be town but I'm unsure. (Why were you asking about her, Toby?)
I think Thor is town.
It's only an intuition but Muffin gives me scum vibes.

Can someone explaining why outing the existence of neighbourhood (neighbourhoods?) is a towntell? Prove me if I'm wrong but being in a neighbourhood is a null right now.

In post 338, Aneninen wrote:He may be town but I can't see any obv-town signs in his posts.

What was that?

A sentence containing two modal verbs, Cho Chang. ^_^
As for its content: I have a weak townread on Tiershift. You're sheeping him. What do you see in his posts that I can't see?

Anen, I understand that you believe T S O should have ignored Csareo instead of interacting with him. I'm confused by what specific point you're making regarding Csareo being town in that other game, your belief Csareo was acting the same here, and how it applies to what T S O should be doing and thinking.

The two people I'd say who have interacted the most with Csareo have been T S O and goodmorning. I wanted to see how you viewed the two. What makes you think goodmorning may be town?

In post 338, Aneninen wrote:@Tiershift: TSO started interacting with Csareo around post 90 or so and maybe he stopped doing it right before your post, 270. After that he started talking with Cho.

This doesn't answer my question of if he interacted with csareo just to generate noise. I wasn't asking where they interacted, I was asking where the interactioswere aimed at generating noise.

In post 334, T S O wrote:"Regarding the vote, I don't really know. I tend not to vote much and I tend to votepark."

That's from Finagling Hills. p sure I can provide more later but I have to go to bed.

That's not how you link to quotes on a forum.

@TobyLoby. Why is most of your posting about Csareo?

I think people have been scummy around Csareo. I question people about their Csareo reads. We proceed to talk about Csareo. People also question me about Csareo.

Now both you and me continue the cycle of talking about Csareo.

Csareo, Csareo, Csareo.

I'm going to be honest I'm lost now and don't know what to think.


UNVOTE: toby

In post 346, Garmr wrote:I'm going to be honest I'm lost now and don't know what to think.


UNVOTE: toby

Shittyvote is shitty

In post 347, Muffin wrote:

In post 346, Garmr wrote:I'm going to be honest I'm lost now and don't know what to think.


UNVOTE: toby

Shittyvote is shitty

Will agree with you as tobys now in my null-town list. I took a step back and looked at her whole posts as a whole. I think I was just paranoid.

muffinnnnn

muffin whyyyyy


So I've found myself defending TSO. That's pretty strong for me. This is where I figure out whether it's because of circumstance or is an actual townread.