Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

Malakittens · Post Post #100 (ISO) » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:23 am

Yes, but it's not always going to stay like that. It's not random for me anymore, but that's my view. I feel like there's enough non fluff content to get out of RVS stage.

@BBT: when you questioned ms' vote on Zeb

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #101 (ISO) » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:44 am

In post 100, Malakittens wrote:Yes, but it's not always going to stay like that. It's not random for me anymore, but that's my view. I feel like there's enough non fluff content to get out of RVS stage.

@BBT: when you questioned ms' vote on Zeb

Nah, I was trying to understand the reason behind MS' vote because I couldn't see one.

Malakittens · Post Post #102 (ISO) » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:57 am

Metal Sonic · Post Post #103 (ISO) » Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:29 pm

Oh, Uncle Sonic understands what is going on now!

UNVOTE: Toffee

Uncle Sonic forgives you for your bad behavior!

Uncle Sonic is very patient with youngsters these days.

Just remember, all that I'm doing is for your best interests! Uncle Sonic is just protecting you from the nasty, evil scum!

VOTE: EspressoDan

Let's see what Huntress's line of inquiry has to offer!

goodmorning · Post Post #104 (ISO) » Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:34 pm

Was gone, will catch up in morning

nopointinactingup · Post Post #105 (ISO) » Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:58 pm

In post 37, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 33, nopointinactingup wrote:
In post 29, goodmorning wrote:Hmmmmmm Sonic might be Scum.

Vote:Goodmorning
Why?

Also, is this a serious vote?

Yes, it is

In post 38, goodmorning wrote:
In post 33, nopointinactingup wrote:
In post 29, goodmorning wrote:Hmmmmmm Sonic might be Scum.
Why?

Because that post was so utterly overdone it's ridiculous. He's holding the cards in his left hand and telling us to watch the right, but in such an obvious way that it looks to me like a double- or triple-bluff.
I mean, there're a couple different options and not all of them have him as Scum, but it's pretty blatantly manipulative and I don't like it.

I get that it's ridiculous, but you were pointing out his likelihood of being scum in a wishy washy manner, not his supposedly ludicrous manipulative attempts. DO you find any scum motivation behind the post?

In post 48, Huntress wrote:I think it was the way the "Why?" came after the vote rather than after the quote. Like he needed an excuse for joining an rvs wagon. It just didn't seem to flow.

No it was rather a serious vote.

In post 83, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 82, Shinobi wrote:
I fail to see how "soft-defending" anyone is relevant information. Are you implying that NPAU is his scumbuddy? How does that make him scum in this circumstance? Why don't you think a mason would make that post?

It's not a whole lot to go on right now, but it can be very useful later in the game when there will have been flips/NK's.

I may be implying that NPAU could be his scum-buddy. Of course, he could be a Mason soft-defending his partner, but as I previously stated, I have already ruled this possibility out.

This is a flimsy argument on Day1, since it depends not only on MS being scum first (which is highly unlikely), but also that scum actually defends their partners at all (which is 50-50 at best).

In post 101, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 100, Malakittens wrote:Yes, but it's not always going to stay like that. It's not random for me anymore, but that's my view. I feel like there's enough non fluff content to get out of RVS stage.

@BBT: when you questioned ms' vote on Zeb

Nah, I was trying to understand the reason behind MS' vote because I couldn't see one.

You couldn't find any reason in MS's post, which means you couldn't find anything scummy in MS's posts, yet you're already linking him to supposed scum-buddy?

Unvote.Vote: BBT

EspressoDan · Post Post #106 (ISO) » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:27 pm

Man you guys are rough. Honestly when I posted my second RVS vote, I thought you guys were still lolposting. The two pages consisted of Sonic being... Sonic and people actually taking his posting seriously.

On that note, Scumhunting is hilarious in the early stages of day one. We spent 2-3 pages discussing Sonic's wording and grammar in 28 when he was (and probably still is) trolling. Then we're getting reads off people's reactions to this trolling. All we've gleaned so far is who's dumb and who's dumber. Maybe I don't get the point of RVS and early D1 play. To me it all just seems like a bunch of unfounded votes/claims getting thrown back and forth with only emotion and a bit of gut as reasoning.

@Mala 89 Its arguable that nyanyanya isn't an active player also. He hasn't posted anything of substance either.

Malakittens · Post Post #107 (ISO) » Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:54 pm

In post 106, EspressoDan wrote:@Mala 89 Its arguable that nyanyanya isn't an active player also. He hasn't posted anything of substance either.

Well, I kinda saw this name pop up earlier today so I noticed he hasn't posted yet here. When I talking about the replaced/active player I meant me replacing James May. So you shouldn't be sad that he was replaced as now you have someone you can read etc.

I'm giving a little more time and then I'll probably start placing a vote. (Tbf I was hoping for more players to pop in so i'm waiting before I go into work now. ._.)

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #108 (ISO) » Mon Sep 15, 2014 6:50 am

In post 105, nopointinactingup wrote:
This is a flimsy argument on Day1, since it depends not only on MS being scum first (which is highly unlikely), but also that scum actually defends their partners at all (which is 50-50 at best).

We've only got 5 pages. Are you expected a rock-solid case by now? Please.

Why is it highly unlikely that MS is scum?

You both soft-defended each other. It's quite plausible that you're both scum.

In post 105, nopointinactingup wrote:
You couldn't find any reason in MS's post, which means you couldn't find anything scummy in MS's posts, yet you're already linking him to supposed scum-buddy?

This doesn't really make sense to me but I'll try to respond anyway.

I couldn't find the reason for why MS voted Zeb. Therefore, I asked (tongue-in-cheek) if he was voting him for his bad grammar as that was the only *reason* I could see. I have seen plenty of scummy behaviour from MS so far, and have stated such things in 72.

I'll state this part again to avoid any confusion. I do not think MS is scum

solely based on his soft-defend

of you. I also

do not think

that would be a valid reason on it's own to lynch somebody.

BUT

, it can become useful later in the game due to flips/NK's. Capiche?

goodmorning · Post Post #109 (ISO) » Mon Sep 15, 2014 8:20 am

In post 105, nopointinactingup wrote:I get that it's ridiculous, but you were pointing out his likelihood of being scum in a wishy washy manner, not his supposedly ludicrous manipulative attempts. DO you find any scum motivation behind the post?

If I didn't then I'd hardly be likely to say I'd thought he could be Scum, would I?

In post 48, Huntress wrote:I think it was the way the "Why?" came after the vote rather than after the quote. Like he needed an excuse for joining an rvs wagon. It just didn't seem to flow.

No it was rather a serious vote.

Which you oddly have yet to really explain, afaik.

Malakittens · Post Post #110 (ISO) » Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:19 am

Why is this game so quiet?!?

VOTE: nyayyaaa

Huntress · Post Post #111 (ISO) » Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:22 pm

In post 89, Malakittens wrote:Why is ms less likely to be scum?

He isn't less likely, just not likely to be scum with Zebulin, so it's one or the other, or neither.

In post 94, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Because meta is easily manipulated and it's a poor scum-hunting tool.

Meta is a good tool if used wisely. Don't blame the tool for the way it's sometimes misused.

In post 99, Alpha Sapphire wrote:Hi. So what exactly is going on right now? I thought the votes at this point were mostly random.

Have you actually read the thread? You posted this at the end of page 4 and we were getting past the random part by the middle of page two.

In post 105, nopointinactingup wrote:No it was rather a serious vote.

Ok then. Am I understanding it right that you are voting GM for "pointing out his likelihood of being scum in a wishy washy manner"? Because that's all I'm getting from your post.

In post 108, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 105, nopointinactingup wrote:
This is a flimsy argument on Day1, since it depends not only on MS being scum first (which is highly unlikely), but also that scum actually defends their partners at all (which is 50-50 at best).
Why is it highly unlikely that MS is scum?

I'd like to see the answer to this too.

In post 106, EspressoDan wrote:Man you guys are rough. Honestly when I posted my second RVS vote, I thought you guys were still lolposting. The two pages consisted of Sonic being... Sonic and people actually taking his posting seriously.

On that note, Scumhunting is hilarious in the early stages of day one. We spent 2-3 pages discussing Sonic's wording and grammar in 28 when he was (and probably still is) trolling. Then we're getting reads off people's reactions to this trolling. All we've gleaned so far is who's dumb and who's dumber. Maybe I don't get the point of RVS and early D1 play. To me it all just seems like a bunch of unfounded votes/claims getting thrown back and forth with only emotion and a bit of gut as reasoning.

I think you've just confirmed my earlier impression that you're either just skimming or deliberately ignoring the discussion. There was a lot more going on than you've described here. If you don't understand why someone did or said something, just ask about it.

@ BBT:

I asked you what you didn't like about MS's vote-hopping. Still waiting for an answer.

Shinobi · Post Post #112 (ISO) » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:27 pm

In post 110, Malakittens wrote:

Why is this game so quiet?!?

VOTE: nyayyaaa

Qft. Also a hilariously shameless prod dodge.

beastcharizard · Post Post #113 (ISO) » Mon Sep 15, 2014 3:13 pm

Looking for replacements for Rambler and AssMuffin.

beastcharizard · Post Post #114 (ISO) » Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:35 pm

If there are any players any of you don't want to play with PM me them in the next 16 hours.

I don't need people to replace out because they don't like someone who replaces in.

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #115 (ISO) » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:38 am

In post 111, Huntress wrote:
Meta is a good tool if used wisely. Don't blame the tool for the way it's sometimes misused.

I don't really want to get into this in the middle of a game, would prefer to talk about it post-game, but if somebody is aware of their meta or how certain people interpret meta, it can be manipulated quite easily.

In post 111, Huntress wrote:
@ BBT:
I asked you what you didn't like about MS's vote-hopping. Still waiting for an answer.

You like vote-hopping?

Metal Sonic · Post Post #116 (ISO) » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:00 am

Haven't you heard? A vote is the town's best weapon!

Scum have nightkills, teammates, and their own votes, but all we poor Townspeople only have a single vote! It's certainly an uphill battle!

But we have the numbers! In order to win, we need to have teamwork!

Be a good sport, will ya?

Metal Sonic · Post Post #117 (ISO) » Tue Sep 16, 2014 2:11 am

Uncle Sonic's Scumhunting List!

~Uncle Sonic~

Metal Sonic

Good!

BlueBloodedToffee
Huntress
Shinobi
Malakittens
Zebulin

Maybe good?

EspressoDan
nopointactingup

No Read

Rambler
Alpha Sapphire
AssMuffin
nyanyanay
goodmorning

No Good!

goodmorning · Post Post #118 (ISO) » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:01 am

^Are you scumreading me for not having been here, or is it still OMGUS?

goodmorning · Post Post #119 (ISO) » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:04 am

In post 115, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 111, Huntress wrote:
Meta is a good tool if used wisely. Don't blame the tool for the way it's sometimes misused.

I don't really want to get into this in the middle of a game, would prefer to talk about it post-game, but if somebody is aware of their meta or how certain people interpret meta, it can be manipulated quite easily.

BUTTING IN
There's a difference between actions and tone, and there are also some actions that people don't seem to be able to help doing even if they're indicative.

But it's definitely better saved for after the game.

Metal Sonic · Post Post #120 (ISO) » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:14 am

In post 118, goodmorning wrote:^Are you scumreading me for not having been here, or is it still OMGUS?

I have no read on you, as you have not been here, but you are relatively scummier than the lurkers based on your previous posts so far.

Metal Sonic · Post Post #121 (ISO) » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:16 am

I have no definitive scumreads at the moment (It's page 5, lol), but quite a few townreads have surfaced.

It goes without saying that the above list is subject to change.

goodmorning · Post Post #122 (ISO) » Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:41 am

wow you are so good at explaining

BlueBloodedToffee · Post Post #123 (ISO) » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:20 am

In post 116, Metal Sonic wrote:Haven't you heard? A vote is the town's best weapon!

A vote is a good weapon; however, when it only sticks on someone for a page or so, it pretty much becomes useless. Your vote serves no purpose as you're expected to move it onto the next target within the next 25 posts.

GM - Where you at? What you thinking? Let's talk.

goodmorning · Post Post #124 (ISO) » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:42 am

Well, I still haven't read pages 2-4, so I'm not really at much of anywhere at present. Will probably post much more soonish though.