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[massive]

Wow, did not expect you to be the first to cave.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Csareo's lynch is not going through today.

Rufflig already jumped off and he was at L-3 (?) at that point.

[massive]

Yeah, but this really puts a dent in the sincerity of your convictions, doesn't it? How much of your vote for Csareo was "he's scum" and how much was self-preservation?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

You want me to sit on a wagon that is currently fading and going nowhere?

How is that productive for town?

[massive]

I don't know, but if I was considering jumping off, I'd make sure I was jumping for a reason and not some nebulous "I'm OK with Flubber" blanket statement. Would you care to give your reasons for jumping onto Flubber?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I stated a while ago that I didn't like Flubber's play this game.

Mostly due to his lurking and opportunistic jump onto my wagon.

[Green Crayons]

I have Flubber as my third or fourth strongest town read. Not going to be voting him today.

Same goes for wake and BBT.

I'm open to Casreo (sigh), Dougal, Boon, Anatole, and Jagged. Probably in that order, but the order becomes somewhat blurry once you move past Dougal.

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@FakeGod:

can you give a quick statement as to why you think Csareo is town and BBT is likely town?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm not willing to lynch massive, TTH, AK, GC, Wake, FG and Rufflig.

Would like to lynch Csareo, Flubber, Boon or maybe Doogal.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I don't get the Dougal scumreads

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't get the Dougal scumreads

Lowest contributor after JA. Serious lurking.

I also really liked GC's 1444.

[Doogal121]

@Doogal:

(1) You promised an "overview" of your thoughts once you caught up back in Post 1079. That never happened, even though you have posted substantive things since that time. I am interested in your thoughts on the game more generally (not just BBT and Csareo), including what other players have your attention, and why. I'll leave to your preference for how broad/deep you want to get with your thoughts.


(2) In reference to you unvoting BBT in Post 535 (by way of a vote on GreyICE), and revoting BBT in Post 583, you have said:

3B. I felt I couldn't leave my vote on BBT for fear of Boonskies troll hammer coming in and we still had plenty of time (and I wanted to see if a counter wagon appeared) so I thought putting my vote on Greyice would help provide pressure on him, hopefully to get him to answer why he threw down some BS and then disappeared.

It's the latter. I'm going off memory partly here because the VC's weren't regular at this time of the game. I believe BBT was at L-2 when I pulled my vote off because I was worried about troll hammering. This was on 9/11. I put my vote back on him 9/17 because I was no longer worried about troll hammering and he was just acting completely anti town. Right after that is when the BBT jumped on Csareo(bringing to L-4 I believe) and the votes started racking up on the counter wagon.

A major component of you removing your BBT vote, and then being comfortable with revoting BBT 50 some odd posts later, is your concern about Boon's hammer. But Boon had already voted BBT in Post 467. Thoughts?


(3) In faulting BBT for pursuing a lurker (scrambles, I believe), you said:

BBT however is now pushing on a lurker when we have plenty of scuminess to deal with.

When I asked you to clarify about who were these other scum candidates that BBT could have gone after (Post 916), you said:

4. The scumminess was BBT sheeping Greyice and Greyice throwing down a BS LaL arguement. We also had the whole AK vs Wake thing to go through which I felt was Town vs Town but I thought we might be able to analyze the other participants to see if any thing scummy ended up coming out of it.

So, if I'm to understand you correctly, you thought BBT was scummy for pursuing a lurker rather than other players who were suspicious, but those other suspicious players were (1) BBT himself, and then (2) Anatole and Wake, who had been having an internet screaming fight, but which you recognize looks like a town v. town situation.

Do I have that correct?

You are correct on #1, I never did give an overview. For some reason I thought I did which means I wrote something up and then forgot to submit it. I will give reads on everybody today.

2. You are not correct that I unvoted BBT in 535. I unvoted in 391. I was V/LA on the weekend as always and didn't want to leave my vote out there. I put it back on BBT after the quickhammer threat was gone.
(2A: Jumping on a wagon without doing any research at all on it's validity was scummy as all hell. Just slightly scummier than making the false allegation to begin with.)
(2B: Somewhat related but not answering a specific question, BBT is the best noose candidate because he is anti-town at best [and I'm pretty sure scum]. Also, it will put to rest this whole neighbor thing that we have gone over 15 times and will end up eating up all of day 2. If he lives it's all going to be @TTH, what did BBT put in the chat over night? @BBT What did TTH put in the chat? Nah uh, I don't believe you!!! I can tell you, if that happens, anybody who still cares will give up and the scum will walk all over this game.)
3. It's going to hard to explain the whole AK/Wake situation to someone who wasn't in the middle of it, but the timing of all the posts coming in fast and heavy and a number of others posted in the middle of it commenting on the fight and suddenly, out of nowhere was BBT going let's get a lurker! It killed the flow and commentary at that point. It felt random and forced. I would have preferred a "@Lurker, what is your take on the current AK vs Wake situation" vs a "Let's get him, he's lurking!"

Side note, thanks for the post at 1332. I disagree that the reactionary votes are likely town. I really think he did everything he could to get a wagon going and the best he could do was the Csareo "slip" which I don't think was really a slip. But, then again, there are 2 easy ways to find out if it was indeed a slip. If Csareo or BBT flip scum, we'll know the truth.

[Doogal121]

I don't get the Dougal scumreads

Lowest contributor after JA. Serious lurking.

I also really liked GC's 1444.

Meta me. This is my style and I've yet to be scum. All my games are in my siggy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't get the Dougal scumreads

Lowest contributor after JA. Serious lurking.

I also really liked GC's 1444.

Meta me. This is my style and I've yet to be scum. All my games are in my siggy.

Meta you. That's funny.

I want to PL you now for trying to use meta to defend your lurking.

[Anatole Kuragin]

Lurking does not make someone scum. I think Doogal's town.

Boonskiies is a good lynch

[Bert]

Vote Count 1.12

BlueBloodedToffee(5)

– Flubbernugget, Csareo, Boonskiies, Doogal121, Wake88

Csareo(2)

–Green Crayons, massive

Boonskiies (1)

– Anatole Kuragin

Flubbernugget(1)

- BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting(4)

–FakeGod, JaggedAppliance, TellTaleHeart, The Rufflig

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch
New deadline is on Sunday, September 28, 2014, 11:00 AM {(expired on 2014-09-28 11:00:00)}[/area]

[FakeGod]

Yeah, but this really puts a dent in the sincerity of your convictions, doesn't it? How much of your vote for Csareo was "he's scum" and how much was self-preservation?

It was obviously a self-preservation vote. The way he voted, unvoted, then got back on when it became clear that Csareo lynch was his only hope of making it to d2 really shows where he stood.

Lurking does not make someone scum. I think Doogal's town.

Boonskiies is a good lynch

Interesting.

I'm willing to lynch Boon, if only for the litmus test.

[FakeGod]

To show my sincerity,

Vote: Boon

[Csareo]

I'm not as flimsy in my voting patterns.
BBT is scum and my vote isn't changing.
I'm also not willing to lynch boon or doogal, because their allegiance is discovered with BBT's.

[FakeGod]

@Jagged:

huh

Jagged has no scumreads. This is concerning, coupled with the fact that GreyICE's ISO is near worthless.

Well?

Do you have a scumread?

[FakeGod]

BBT is scum and my vote isn't changing.

Are you willing to bet your life on it?

[Csareo]

BBT is scum and my vote isn't changing.

Are you willing to bet your life on it?

Always was a gambler with fate.

[FakeGod]

Sign it.

"I, Csareo, will self-vote immediately and permanently if BBT flips town."

In bold, please.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm also not willing to lynch boon or doogal, because their allegiance is discovered with BBT's.

Wrong. You're saying that like Boon and Doogal would be 100% conf. scum if I got lynched and flipped town. Which they wouldn't.

Csareo's not going to like this.

VOTE: Boon

Nobody wants to lynch Flubber

[Csareo]

@Fakegod-That would be playing against my team's win condition, and accomplish absolutely nothing but having me flip vannila town.

[Csareo]

Another vote flip? Sigh, when does it end?