NY 176: Completely Ridiculous Mafia (Game Over)

[T S O]

vote bob

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I would also vote AcBd if he is a wagon.

[T S O]

don't you try to disguise your omgus

[T S O]

vote bob

I would also vote AcBd if he is a wagon.

No reasoning provided on your initial vote, and yet you provided reasoning for an alternate vote that seems sheepy/scummy? tsk tsk

oh sorry for not giving random reasoning for my vote; I know that's a towntell

[T S O]

vote bob

I would also vote AcBd if he is a wagon.

No reasoning provided on your initial vote, and yet you provided reasoning for an alternate vote that seems sheepy/scummy? tsk tsk

oh sorry for not giving random reasoning for my vote; I know that's a towntell

Thanks for the passive-aggressiveness. I just don't understand why you would vote Bob without listing a reason, yet list a reason you would vote for someone else and not follow through. That means it was a deliberate choice to vote Bob over Cabd... hardly random.

I never listed a reason why I'd vote Cabd...

I'm all for nitpicking, but at least do it right.

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I agree he's town though.

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@TSO
Objectively speaking what made Bob better then Cabd at the time you placed the vote?

bob beat me in a scumgames eons ago.

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Counterpoint: One and Done (Micro 293)

tbf one and done was a game where we were up 4-2 and just randomly died. that's understating it, but that's what it felt like. one and done, bob completely outplayed me. you remember that.

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Conveniently explaining your vote you should have explained eons ago three minutes after you got some heat on you, many more minutes after your last post.

yes, I looked at the thread, saw the #1 player vote me with a very scary vote and I panicked hard.

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wait a minute

I called the scumteam correctly in One and Done!

Damnit!

[T S O]

why?

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oh, okay, I get you now.

[T S O]

you can tell me, ceph. secret's safe, pwomise.

[T S O]

a bit harsh

[T S O]

thank you

do you have any lollipops?

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oh shit

I've heard of people like you

Mum called them "peediefiles"

YOU'RE HERE TO KIDNAP ME AREN'T YOU

[T S O]

No, don't fucking deny it, I knew what you were thinking about.

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Maybe it's not your fault.

Maybe the world, as we know it, is facing an epidemic of morals. Not just physical, not just theistical, but of moral. When men like The WayItEnds can have their virtue impugned upon so radically by the conditioning of infants to observe acts of good will as subtle pretext to paedophilia, it becomes clear the world has became obsessed with danger, never even stopping to consider the potential charity of these acts if we could just cease our paranoia faculties for a period of time lengthy enough to experience them.

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Somebody has to start, son. Somebody has to step forward and do what is right, because it is right. If nobody starts, then others cannot follow.

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Perhaps we should even create a imaginary scenario where we attempt to blend in with innocent bystanders and force them to hang their own from nooses, while we prowl the streets at night, dealing death and cocaine.

I think the one they call "Cephrir" would serve well as our primary target.

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I'm back.

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@Aegor

Do you have any other reads besides Toomai?

Yes. TSO is probably my biggest scumread at the moment, but I will continue voting for Toomai in order to push for his mislynch.

I have no idea why I'm your biggest scumread.

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Because, unlike you, I feel there is barely anything I could give a scumread - a real scumread, not a 49-51 read - to. I have townreads, of course. I'm townreading TWIE, for example.

Who are your scumreads? Why?

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I have a minor scumread on Toon because I think his questions were unnecessary, as well as possibly being leading. But that's kind of tenuous.

I'm currently watching Bob as well, I want to know his reasons behind suspecting Jimmy. This isn't so much a scumread though as something I'm keeping an eye on.


I'm not saying I disagree with the read on TWIE, but I am curious as to your reasons for it.

So, let's summarise this:

You're looking at Bob, this isn't a scumread.
You have a minor, tenuous scumread on Toomai.

And you're scumreading me for not having scumreads?

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The fact that I don't have scumreads seems to indicate that scum a) aren't posting site-wide or b) are lurking.

I've noticed a trend of scum doing this in Large games recently.

So, I'm going to start looking there.

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Hey TSO. Do you still scream at people? Did my Jimmy vote actually seem like I wanted to go back to RVS or is Cabd scum and reinoe town?

Yes, no, and maybe.

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I really didn't like #192 and its implications, though. That thing could be scum.

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I don't like either of those posts.

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Are you attempting to react scummily, or ...?

Vote: reinoe

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Why on earth would you veto an innocent townsperson from a untimely and unwarranted death?

Are you turning soft on me?

[T S O]

Nah I just want to make him watch, helpless, as all of his friends die.

That's what I like to hear!

As for our initial target? It seems to me anyone they call "MVP" should become our Magically Vanished Person tonight.

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That's just him being scum, Bob.

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oh you're serious lol

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For what it's worth, AP is simply going to call everything I do scummy - if you want to listen to him, great, but I'm not going to respond to his twisting. Anyone else is okay.

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Cephrir, I fail to understand how you could -not- get a scumread from reinoe's entrance.

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Yes, calling everyone who calls you scum scum, doing a really bad job of pretending to fakeclaim, posting multiple posts of retarded fluff, requoting posts for no reason, trying to defend yourself using meta

when you've said before you always change your play up

and chaining lynches is really super town!

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"I might be a Cop, also I might not be a Cop."
"VOTE: TSO suspecting my claim makes you scum!"
"I haven't claimed anything!"

This stupidity makes it so obvious he is not a Cop. In the tiny, minimal chance he -is- a Cop, he would have been far better off saying nothing because his actions have just drawn heat on him and it's not like he'd ever be nightkilled anyway.

[T S O]

I genuinely think reinoe is either ballsy enough or stupid enough to play "too stupid to be scum" as scum.

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For what it's worth, AP is simply going to call everything I do scummy - if you want to listen to him, great, but I'm not going to respond to his twisting. Anyone else is okay.

"twisting" implies you think he's scum. Do you?

I feel he has a grudge against me, at least. I'm not sold on him being town either - but the twisting itself comes from the grudge.

I genuinely think reinoe is either ballsy enough or stupid enough to play "too stupid to be scum" as scum.

Jimmy_Raynor's scum game in the newbie game I modded was pretty much him winning by his prior slot owner replacing out in a townish manner and people giving him towncred. While this replace out was more neutral, natural, and something not aimed at sinking any town cred. Thoguhts?

I feel I'm missing something very basic here - what you're telling me is that Jimmy won a scum game by coasting off slotcred - therefore, because he replaced out here, he's Town?

I'm pretty sure what you're saying is that you think he, after seeing it work so well as scum, would give reads in his replaceout if he was scum. Thing is, I don't think he even read the game or had reads to give.

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I haven't noticed Cabd being particularly weird.

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Maybe you should try reading the thread. I think that might help.

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Yet you didn't vote reinoe.

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I agree, Ki-Gi, that's exactly why he did it.

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He's not as bad as he comes off here - he recently won a scum game that was really really against town, but his play was decent. I'm sure Titus remembers it.

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DJ-scum?

I could definitely do that.

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In the meantime, we can discuss how he constantly regurgitates people's opinions and presents them as his own.

I do admire how he's sticking with his schtick in the face of pressure. It won't work, son, but props for trying it.

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Reinoe, if we lynch TSO and he flips scum is it cool if I vig you tonight?

ap just slipped that me and him are scumbuddies. bam. game over. damn. etc.

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oh please Cephhy don't go for a secret tell on me

Or at least tell me what it is

[T S O]

I'm really sorry for not responding to your question immediately. I've been trying to find time to formulate a response to this dastardly question.

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I have 2 scumreads so I don't find it entirely implausible Toomai didn't really have any and I don't think it's a scum sentiment anyway.
I agree with you on DJ.
I haven't really been following the Ki-Gi saga and I'll read it later.

pedit: lol

[T S O]

This is the first time I've ever advocated this, but...

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wagon! With the official

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reinoe

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So don't wait! Join the

reinoe

wagon

now!

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You see, this is why reinoe's scum.

I make a post, reinoe berates me for not answering it.
I answer the post.
There is zero follow-up to it, just irrelevant fluff.

[T S O]

Meh.

What's your current opinion on reinoe?

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I like Cephrir.

I think we all do.

I'm taking this to be non alignment-indicative.

[T S O]

I'm not communicating with you any further until I talk to at least three other people.

[T S O]

Anyone who's here, I have time to discuss reinoe and I need to do so.

[T S O]

That makes me so incredibly sad.

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Just look, literally look, at how reinoe is trying to clog the thread so no-one will have any motivation to read what I'm saying.

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Let me put this to you simply.

I trolled with TWIE before anything real had happened. I have made 1 troll post since I called reinoe scum.

Reinoe has made at least 10-15.

I'll do the maths for you as well!

1 < 10-15.

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1 < 10-15.

Um, you aren't very good at math, are you?

yes, Cephrir, where I attend school that sign is used to demarcate bigger numbers.

You're hilarious.

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But go ahead, keep missing the point - your readslist shows you're well on the way.

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It's Mafiascum, not Mathiascum...

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mehhh.

sickened by this game; my credibility's already been shot to shit.

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?

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It's been 24 hours, half of which was me in bed, the other quarter of which was me at athletics training.

Your reasons for townreading people are so shitty and awful, but whatever. You get called town for being really bad. If that's what your aim on this site is, then great, I guess.

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Nero, when I look at your posts, should I feel any sort of progression towards something relevant?

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Nero, when I look at your posts, should I feel any sort of progression towards something relevant?

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Because you calling my slot scummy and useless is the equivalent of the black hole calling a banana black.

[T S O]

I've caught scum in reinoe. What about you?

Hint: constantly defending yourself isn't useful.

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But I realise that I'm not going to be able to air my views on reinoe until everyone's willing to listen, so I'm going to actually look at other people now.

[T S O]

(I didn't draw scum; my scumgame is better than this).

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I said I'm going to be proactive from now on.

You call me scum for not immediately doing it in the same post.

Just shut up.

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Cephrir, I don't get your stance on this whatsoever, by the way.

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Is there anything worth reading yet or is it still mostly Reinoe and Nero related drama?

That's going to be 90% of the game, though.

Might want to throw in other meta points besides "lol ns is lurking and thats what ns does as scum"

This is a fairly valid point though? Meta aside, you guys have done fuckall that looks town.

They've also done fuckall that looks scum.

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Cephrir, I don't get your stance on this whatsoever, by the way.

I have a stance on this?

You were talking to both me and reinoe when I was arguing that when I said I was going to start posting content, reinoe's scumread on me for not immediately doing so was rubbish. Despite this, I never really felt your opinion was shared on the matter - but you seem to have posted it now.

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No, Aeronaut, you're thinking of something and I can't say it but it's wrong. This has absolutely nothing to do with policy. This is a scum lynch.

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-Tried really hard to appear Town with his opening.

Horrific cop gambit which is obviously false and just plain stupid.

-Immediately scumread me for voting him, was and is hard scumreading me, despite never giving a legitimate reason for the original scumread.

-Calls me scum for "pushing the lynch of a softclaimed Cop" when his Cop act is terrible and he even says later he claimed nothing.

-Spammed the shit out of the thread in order to make people not read TSO vs reinoe, which is completely scum-motivated.

-Used "this isn't my scumgame" as a defence when he's openly said he changes his play regularly.

-Forms a pre-associative tell on Toomai and buddies Cabd simultaneously in #333.

-Posts "TSO is scum" in every single post he makes in order to make it seem like it's a shitfest between me and him, when he's just scum.

-Asks me questions about #472, yet doesn't care about the answers, never follows up or even attempts to.

-When called out on this, pretends I never answered as a deflection and afterwards still does not follow up on my answers or give reasons why he asked the questions.

-When accused of constantly regurgitating other people's opinions by me, he takes one of my opinions, shows someone else saying it, and then calls me a hypocrite. (In order not to commit this scumtell, I would have had to not agree with anyone, on anything, which is impossible.)

Claims I haven't tried to interact with anyone, despite me doing it here in #557 and him posting directly afterwards in #558.

-Asks Ki-Gi in #580 for an opinion, Ki-Gi doesn't answer the question, Reinoe completely drops the question the post after.

-Votes MVP for "being useless" when he's already apparently hardscumreading me.

-Constantly complains I'm not interacting with other people, when he's doing even less than I am.

-Protests that even when I'm talking to other people, that shouldn't count because they started the conversation.

-In order to prove that it's possible to be pro-active, asks three random people three generic questions and wonders why I haven't done that.

P.S. Reinoe is aware that starting a fight and trolling make people townread him. Something to chew on.

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That's all I have to say on reinoe, Izzy. He's going to do his best to discredit that before you read it, but I ask you do, because the linking took me a while.

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No, Aeronaut, you're thinking of something and I can't say it but it's wrong. This has absolutely nothing to do with policy. This is a scum lynch.

Tell me something Reinoe has done scummy besides being a fluffy sheep?

...because I mixed you up with Aeronaut. My bad.

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who I have witnessed actually being opportunistic and attempting to manipulate the town.

I'd ask you to back that up but when know that ain't going to happen.

who I have witnessed actually being opportunistic and attempting to manipulate the town.

I'd ask you to back that up but when know that ain't going to happen.

You could always click on your ISO.

That's complete fucking trash; back up your statement or sit down.

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TSO, I'm not trying to be snarky or anything but what did you expect from post 765? Honestly, I didn't have the giveadarn to do more than skim it loosely and it looks like you are just reiterating some IIoA about what Reinoe by quoting his entire iso and summarizing it. Did you honestly expect that post to sway people into voting Reinoe?

Meh, yes. I thought if I showed reinoe's a hypocrite who constantly engages in awful play and knows trolling causes townreads, it might sway people, but I guess the link between trolling and town is too strong to break. Maybe in my next scumgame I'll troll and Cephrir will townread me.

[T S O]

That should make me happy but somehow it doesn't.

[T S O]

reinoe: Slight town lean. Passionate about TSO, and got some pretty unwarranted flak from scumreads.

[T S O]

I don't get your Toomai stance.

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Whoever was posting. I'm not familiar enough with your posting styles.

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Whoever's there, I guess.

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If I was to vote MVP, which I probably will, you realise it's based on notscience lurking, yeah?

[T S O]

DJ white-knighting everything won't make you a townread.

[T S O]

*sigh*

Unvote
Vote: reinoe

his pressure died as soon as mine did, which is annoying, but whateverrrr

[T S O]

It's really not at all.

[T S O]

I like Mirhawk a lot.

Mainly because his thoughts on Cephrir echoed my own.

[T S O]

Do MVP and Cephrir make any sense as scum together?

[T S O]

And you feel that Izzy was super-worried about Toomai being under a tiny amount of pressure, yes?

[T S O]

*shoots self*

[T S O]

*shoots self*

Awesome, what alignment were you?

Third party.

[T S O]

I felt I should have some problem with you doing that, but I don't really.

[T S O]

I don't want to lynch Toomai. reinoe or MVP.

[T S O]

I don't want to lynch Toomai.

reinoe or MVP.

[T S O]

I cannot explain why or I will be force-replaced but I hate this claim.

[T S O]

terrible vote

[T S O]

I'll admit Bob cheers me up and that's another reason to keep him but the quality of people voting him, like MVP and Cephrir, who both are in my top 3 scumreads, makes it pretty obvious this wagon is bullshit. Another reason could be the fact that Bob's explanation is legit.

MVP's jump was also atrocious.

[T S O]

TSO, comment on mvps claim?

Exceptionally easy to fakeclaim, one of the safest things there is to claim, the explanation about their playing matching their claim holds no water with me, and I also have another reason to think it's false which I cannot discuss.

[T S O]

It's also completely possible that reinoe, being on a scumteam with CABD of all people in a scumgame (which was ongoing at this game's start but is now finished) knew that Cabd would immediately peg him for his scumplay here if he played the same game he usually does.

[T S O]

Ceph's lynch preferences: DJ>Bob>MVP>reinoe

This specifically is why MVP and reinoe deserve death.

[T S O]

To clarify, I think you're scum. At least, you're the closest thing to a scumread I have this game, outside of MVP/reinoe.

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I think you've taken every possible easy option today, for one thing.

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I'm not voting Toomai.

[T S O]

maybe.

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I don't think it'll flip scum, but it has a better chance than Toomai.

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sadface

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unvote
vote: dj

[T S O]

TSO, can we please play one game where you aren't a fucking idiot. + you are sheeping scum so....

~

You are a significantly greater idiot than I am; I've had a lot of decent games but as far as I can see you fuck up every time. You even got specialised role PM's off mastin designed purely because you are a moron.

Do not tell me I am a fucking idiot. Some people have the right to. You will never be one of those.

[T S O]

Go ahead and vig me, by the way - I don't give a fuck.

[T S O]

TSO thinks he's a good player lol

I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. I did, however, imply, and now I'm saying openly, that you are a trashy, shitty, anti-town player who I would policy lynch every time if I had the chance. I seem to have the appalling luck to constantly run into you when you have a PR, like Fire Emblem, where you were lynched because your reads, play and PR uses were awful (translation: everything you did was awful.) Unfortunately, this game appears to be the same.

If I'm shooting bad town then I rather shoot TSO as you actually offer productivity.

Reinoe would love you to vig me so I'll shut up about being scum. Go ahead.

I don't mind if you Vig me because I can then rub it in your face postgame about you fucking up as usual.

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I'm also going to ask you don't respond to that, even though you will, because although I'd love to explain in-depth just how bloodcurdlingly awful your Town play is, it's not actually going to help anything but my frayed nerves with you.

[T S O]

I still don't agree with Toomai or Bob lynches, I still think we should lynch the shit out of {reinoe, Cephrir, MVP}. I think reinoe's attitude of "Yeah, I haven't done anything useful, but neither have other guys!" showcases his attitude towards being useful for d2 on - it won't happen. I think the amount of softdefending reinoe's received points to scum defending him.

[T S O]

I have openly said I do not have a problem with being shot tonight.

I am not bullying anyone; I am not starting fights. You can stop trying to attribute nonsensical reasons to my posts any time now.

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I'm not even that invested in this game; I have three main suspects and I'm pretty sure others are sneaking around behind me. I would not mind dying due to a lack of time to play, also to see DJ get grilled for shooting town.

You don't want to be shot, so you're trying to subtly make me the vig shot. I see what you're doing. I just don't really care.

[T S O]

If Cephrir, reinoe, DJ and MVP are Town I will allow AP to put a quote in my sig. I have no idea if this is allowed, but I'm willing to do it.

[T S O]

TSO we are not vigging you. I do not feel vigs should be used on dumb town. Occasionally, players are salvagable. This is an offgame for you.

Viva la revolution!

Since my hydraslip, it should be clear I am Titus. Damn it. I was doing do well before Monday.


Btw shame tactics do not work. I am at tunnel mode with you Reinoe. Somehow Nero is not convinced despite our scumreads starting a wagon on us to fucking counter your ass. You better hope NC does not lurk out, otherwise you better roleblock us forever.

P.S. TSO I think this is thst one setup where I drew vig before. Youknow the one.

-

I like you, Titus, but Nero drives me insane.

And I do!

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yeah, it's so immature me telling you what I think of you, right? it's not immature when I'm trying to be civil towards you and you randomly call me "fucking terrible", though.

my skin is too thick as to be really annoyed; the hypocrisy is the only reason I'm even replying.

[T S O]

Reinoe is up for vig, scum know this.
Vig shot is blocked, vig dies.

Vote: reinoe

[T S O]

And if anyone responds "WIFOM" to this, I will personally eat you.

[T S O]

I want you to make the obvious conclusion to your post, Izariael.

[T S O]

What possible reason could scum have for stopping his kill as well as killing him?

[T S O]

I don't give a shit about another random game which was completely different.

Stop wasting your time.

[T S O]

I am 100% willing to be quicklynched if reinoe is Town.

I am personally treating anyone who defends reinoe, soft or hard, as a scumbuddy, and when we hang him on a noose I'll come for you after.

[T S O]

The only defence he's offered to my accusation is "lol tso is bad". The only defence anyone else has offered is bullshit examples or noncommitment. Vote reinoe or explain why you're not doing it, and it better be damn good.

[T S O]

I am not responding to that trashy argument because it makes it about you vs me and it's not about that, much as you'd like it to be.

You picking one random example will never be relevant to this game. The rest of your post is just fluff trying to cover over for reinoe.

[T S O]

We're not discussing me - I didn't even read your post. We're discussing you and how last night makes you scum. Nice try, though.

[T S O]

I don't want a pissing contest - I'm directly trying to avoid one.

What is your opinion on reinoe and the block, ika?

[T S O]

Because DJ was specifically ordered to shoot him last night and any sane scumteam would simply let the kill go through so 2 people would die. That they didn't is proof that reinoe is scum and his team saved him last night.

He's also had a load of people softdefending him today, which also points to him being scum.

[T S O]

He's literally trying to spam the thread and reply to everything I say to get me into an argument, which I'm refusing to do.

[T S O]

i am fucking done with this game

[T S O]

i literally cannot handle the combination of bad and scum this game. i cant do it. i want out.

unvote
vote: tso

[T S O]

this isn't gonna be a la ttd where i return and get thick at people who vote me

i 100% support my wagon. get me the fuck out of this thing.

[T S O]

if anyone fucking says town v town again I will fucking kill them.

[T S O]

I typed out a long post and deleted it; the tl;dr here is I don't have any influence and this game's utter impotence is beginning to stress me out. I don't get what the fuck is going on - I don't get how people think this guy is town. I get nothing here. There are other games where I've been really confident and happy - this isn't one. I have relentlessly pushed my agenda and people won't listen or are scum. I haven't liked one thing Cephrir has posted this game and he continues to make me gasp with scummish intent in everything he does. Toomai seems to be the de facto lynch today and I have attempted to stop it, but no-one cares.

no-one cares about this game, why should I give a fuck about it.

[T S O]

Where the fuck are the people who need to step up? Where is AP? Where is TWIE? Where are the universal townreads who are pushing scum? There are none. What that points to, I don't know - and I don't have inclination to figure it out.

[T S O]

Anyone who is even calling me scum HAS NO IDEA OF HOW I EVEN PLAY AS SCUM. Cephrir has never seen me as scum! How the fuck would he know?

I have so many issues with this whole thing it's just too much.

[T S O]

heres an idea:

TSO, if reione is scum who are his scum buddies? lets work from there.
if hes not scum what then?

Cephrir and MVP.
We lynch the above two.

Specifically, I'd like to hear what TSO has to say. I've also read page 60, and his posts have caught my eye.

On what?

The only defence he's offered to my accusation is "lol tso is bad". The only defence anyone else has offered is bullshit examples or noncommitment. Vote reinoe or explain why you're not doing it, and it better be damn good.

What do you mean "defense"? Are you referring to the Information Instead of Analysis that you offered way back when that relied on hyperbole and exaggeration?

I'm not going into a wall war with you when town enthusiasm was already on the brink.

But I realise that I'm not going to be able to air my views on reinoe until everyone's willing to listen, so I'm going to actually look at other people now.

And you never did this. Almost 800 posts later and you haven't done this. And yet when I point out that you haven't done this you say I'm "spamming the thread so that nobody can see your defense".

I'll admit Bob cheers me up and that's another reason to keep him but the quality of people voting him, like MVP and Cephrir, who both are in my top 3 scumreads, makes it pretty obvious this wagon is bullshit. Another reason could be the fact that Bob's explanation is legit.

MVP's jump was also atrocious.

Where's your Cephrir push?

Ceph's lynch preferences: DJ>Bob>MVP>reinoe

This specifically is why MVP and reinoe deserve death.

Why are you relying on your scumread's scumreads? Makes no fucking sense.

unvote
vote: dj

Hey look, now DJ is a scumread and Cephrir is not!

I still don't agree with Toomai or Bob lynches, I still think we should lynch the shit out of {reinoe, Cephrir, MVP}.

And now DJ is not a scumread but Cephrir is again!

But it doesn't really matter because TSO isn't pushing or pressuring his scumreads outside of myself.

So yeah, like, this is actually a pretty good post?

It's a fucking shitty post which I'll address EVEN THOUGH it lets reinoe start a wallwar.

Antitown fuck.

Because, unlike you, I feel there is barely anything I could give a scumread - a real scumread, not a 49-51 read - to. I have townreads, of course. I'm townreading TWIE, for example.

Who are your scumreads? Why?

Oh here it is page 12. But I saw a different percentage on another earlier page that was more lopsided. Am I just to assume these are random relative numbers?

Yes.

[T S O]

Reinoe you fucking coward you ran away when I selfvoted despite insinuating the whole game that I'm scum, yeah?

[T S O]

I'm not going into a wall war with you when town enthusiasm was already on the brink.

You'd love to get in a wall war and you are solely suffocating this game.

But I realise that I'm not going to be able to air my views on reinoe until everyone's willing to listen, so I'm going to actually look at other people now.

And you never did this. Almost 800 posts later and you haven't done this. And yet when I point out that you haven't done this you say I'm "spamming the thread so that nobody can see your defense".

Please stop trying to get me to explain an irrelevant townread on TWIE when I'm busy explaining a very important one on you, yeah?

I'll admit Bob cheers me up and that's another reason to keep him but the quality of people voting him, like MVP and Cephrir, who both are in my top 3 scumreads, makes it pretty obvious this wagon is bullshit. Another reason could be the fact that Bob's explanation is legit.

MVP's jump was also atrocious.

Where's your Cephrir push?

Where's the support for a Cephrir push?

Ceph's lynch preferences: DJ>Bob>MVP>reinoe

This specifically is why MVP and reinoe deserve death.

Why are you relying on your scumread's scumreads? Makes no fucking sense.

This is a piece of analysis pretty unique to me where I look at a scumread's scumreads, take the 3rd and 4th person, and presume that's where their scumbuddies are because it's easy for scum to put them there but just not push them.

Hint: Cephrir has not actually pushed either player.

unvote
vote: dj

Hey look, now DJ is a scumread and Cephrir is not!

Why the actual fuck would I vote Cephrir when there is no support?

Do you understand how the game works?

I still don't agree with Toomai or Bob lynches, I still think we should lynch the shit out of {reinoe, Cephrir, MVP}.

And now DJ is not a scumread but Cephrir is again!

Because those three were and are my preferred lynches, but they lack support...

This is so incredibly basic.

But it doesn't really matter because TSO isn't pushing or pressuring his scumreads outside of myself.

Apart from MVP, who I ran up to claim, and Cephrir, who I call scum on a regular basis ...so no, wrong as usual.

[T S O]

There's another wall I have been forced to post which will further. kill. this game.

[T S O]

ceph what possible reason does anyone have to townread you here????

[T S O]

you're just really uninteresting and bland now and that's a really bad thing. have you taken any hard stances on anything yet?

[T S O]

dpes cabd do stuff as scum?

[T S O]

hey ceph

what do you think of reinoe saying he didn't want a wallwar, then saying he'd be cool with a flamewar, then making #1603

[T S O]

dpes cabd do stuff as scum?

Is this an actual question you intend to ask me or is this one of those "let's ask a question i already have decided upon the answer to" sort of things? I mean i slipped right by you in the penguin micro so it's not like you haven't seen me play scum?

it was lylo and I called you and FuDuzn straight up as the scumteam before we autolossed.

I could be wrong on that but I'm fairly sure I'm not.

[T S O]

That didn't answer my question, though?

What sort of data do you want about my scumgame because even if you won't accept it from me plenty of others can verify that effort and "doing stuff" is a formula of my IRL status and medical status and not my alignment.

I didn't know you had any medical issues.

I would also probably accept data from you on your scumgame.

[T S O]

Izzy, you remind me of myself when I'm actually motivated and willing to talk to people/work. Well played.

[T S O]

yeah Cabd just if you actually get shit done as scum; that's an incredibly basic question, I guess, but basically do you run the game or somewhat sit back?

[T S O]

big ceph I'll respond tonight

[T S O]

hey ceph

what do you think of reinoe saying he didn't want a wallwar, then saying he'd be cool with a flamewar, then making #1603

Reviewing stuff I've missed this pops up. The only questions TSO asks Cephrir are at best buddying. Yet TSO has been calling Cephrir scum all the live long day. With something like 11 other players TSO could have directed this question to, why does he choose his scumread? I'd say TSO is almost buddying Ceph at this point, despite all those accusation that Ceph is supposed to be scum.

I am buddying Cephrir by calling him scum ...?

no

[T S O]

no it's multiball with town vig clearly

[T S O]

hint: it's not multiball, reinoe's still scum.

[T S O]

unvote
vote: reinoe

[T S O]

TSO.

You have skipped over me asking you why I'm scum like FIVE TIMES.

Let's play "see how big a quoteblock I can make of this before you stop ignoring it".

I am purposely not answering this because I am doing my best to get reinoe lynched.

[T S O]

(and your recent vote doesn't really look like a bus so yeah)

[T S O]

ap why exactly aren't you voting reinoe

[T S O]

this thing is taking up the whole game and it needs dealing with.

[T S O]

fuck mirhawk

[T S O]

not really ika

it could theoretically be ceph - his vote didn't really feel bussy though

[T S O]

we can debate this after reinoe flips scum.

[T S O]

lol

[T S O]

genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he flipped scum

[T S O]

when he claims town, that would usually be the thing to do, yes

but it's reinoe

hence, a scumflip's still just as likely. trolling in twilight would be nothing to him.

[T S O]

that's p cool

[T S O]

I really have nothing else to say.

I should, but I don't.

[T S O]

I have tried to explain it to myself and failed but I still think Cephrir is scum. I don't know why, I just do.

[T S O]

I have tried to explain it to myself and failed but I still think Cephrir is scum. I don't know why, I just do.

I think Cabd could be scum as well because there's a huge dearth of him actually doing anything except set-up spec. He's basically just posturing in lieu of scumhunting.

TWIE has been completely anonymous and I can't remember the last time I saw him post. That's a pretty solid gameplan for scum.

Mirhawk and AP probably has scum in there somewhere too.

I'm going to get mauled for giving this as my list of scumreads because it contains a lot of strong players, but I don't care.

[T S O]

It just angers me a little, I guess, how easy we're making this for scum. I can see Toomai or myself getting lynched today/tomorrow, and by that stage it's probably LyLo or something. We haven't even given them a fight.

[T S O]

I have tried to explain it to myself and failed but I still think Cephrir is scum. I don't know why, I just do.

[T S O]

Solely to push the reinoe lynch through.

[T S O]

I really don't care if you don't believe me.

I mean, if I'm scum trying to mislynch you, then my current stance of "I can't tell you why I think Cephrir is scum" is going to be significantly more effective than "Cephrir is scum because of x"... wait, no, that makes no sense at all.

But go ahead - push that angle for my mislynch.

[T S O]

Feel free to think whatever you want; I personally think your name fits it perfectly.

[T S O]

I expected you to tell me why I was wrong, but that response is cool too.

[T S O]

Do I really need to explain to that when I say "haven't seen him post" it means

anything meaningful?

Is the distinction really that difficult to discern?

[T S O]

So, your argument is, that you pushed a counterwagon of unknown alignment to the actual lynch, which was on town?

I can't even tell you how many times I've done that as scum - it means nothing -at best-.

[T S O]

That's a tough one. Maybe it's because

I pushed reinoe to the point of stupidity for two days straight.

Or it's because I'm scum.

It's a very, very tough call.

[T S O]

I'm admitting to tunnelling my #1 scumread. Nothing else.

And of course I'm claiming you're doing nothing. Like this conversation, for example. Instead of explaining what you've actually been doing (not much) you're trying to pretend this conversation is about me. It's not. It's about

you.

[T S O]

My contribution to this game is rapidly becoming pathetic.

I have no idea what Cabd is talking about.

ika could be scum. The post above this reeks.

My contribution to this game is rapidly becoming pathetic.

I have no idea what Cabd is talking about.

ika could be scum. The post above this reeks.

i feel a 1v1 coming up...

you guys keep saying "i can be scum" w/o a vote. so if you think i am scum you votepark your ass on me now or you can gindly QUIT FENCESITTING (or doublecating or whatever the fuck the term is)

I'm allowed to say that I think you threatening to OMGUS anyone who votes you is scummy.

I'm not even remotely ready to vote yet.

See, this is exactly why I'm scumreading you.

You call ika's post scummy.
ika tells you to put your vote where your mouth is.
Immediately, you back the fuck up.

Why not just do it?

[T S O]

Cabd, let's talk set-up and maybe more set-up!

[T S O]

Okay TSO, whatcha wanna spec on?

This reply is so damn nice I can't even be snarky in response to it.

[T S O]

No but seriously, what did you want top spec on, or were you just trying to be antagonistic and got killed by kindness?

kinda a mixture but there are better things to talk about now!

what exactly is your opinion on #2105?

[T S O]

do you not think it's a little odd he attacked me twice instead actually answering what he was asked?

[T S O]

I guess I better read 169. Thanks for that.

[T S O]

please stop asking to 1v1 everyone. we're not playing Call of Duty and you're not 10.

[T S O]

Does it matter?

[T S O]

ika isn't my top suspect.

unless you can explain what you're inferring from the above question, I'll continue to not give a shit.

[T S O]

I'm going to be honest and say that I've basically been writing Toomai off as the mislynch to reinoe, but now that he's flipped, I may need to evaluate that again.

[T S O]

Theoretically, who would Toomai's partners be?

[T S O]

That was actually the same conclusion I came to.

Maybe Ceph could be town.

[T S O]

I'm in a shitty spot. I want to lynch TSO, but I don't think anyone will spring for it.

Let's talk about Chosen Mafia, and you randomly calling me scum there, and you being completely wrong.

[T S O]

The weird and silly way in which you have brought this up from nowhere is exactly what you did in Chosen.

[T S O]

Wait no. You think Im scum this game, but you are bringing up Chosen mafia now to discredit me? Can't have your cake and eat it too.

No, I'm not sure that you're scum, but you have a track record of being abysmal of reading me - that is a fact, not a discredit, and that game is proof of it.

[T S O]

But sure, go ahead and bank on yourself - I'd love to hear why I'm scum.

[T S O]

that's great.

what do you want to know again? I have 5 minutes.

[T S O]

I dont know.

How about something?

Anything?

About my slot?

How about just confirming if you are in fact scumreading me and not just vaguely accusing random people.

You seemed pretty adamant that it was about me before.

And then never described what IT was.

If you mean "it" as in, you being completely anonymous and doing jack shit, then yes.

However, I like your current play now (read: doing something).

[T S O]

it's probably a bad sign when I can't even remember you pushing the Mirhawk wagon.