Open 562.1: C9++ endgame

[reinoe]

I've already said I think Riddleton is scum.

[reinoe]

I've already said I think Riddleton is scum.

He still hasn't returned the favor and explained why I'm scum though. It's like he's been calling me scum for no reason...

[Riddleton]

No condorset?

Sure we can do that:
Most recent tallies for each.

AP's tally

1 Elmo
2 Reinoe
3 Riddleton
4 Morph
5 Gameplay
6 Wolfy (in case he isnt actually just 1x or something, idk)
7 AP

Reinoe's tally

1 Riddleton
2 Elmo
3 gameplay
4 morph
5 ap
6 wolfy
7 reinoe

TheBulge's Tally

1 reinoe
2 Elmo TeH AzN
3 gameplay506
4 morph the cat
5 Riddleton
6 AngryPidgeon
7 Wolfy (not listed in original tally; but put last as he was confident in Wolfy)

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That means that (as of this post) the claims will be done in this order:
1. Elmo
2. Riddleton
3. Reinoe
4. Gameplay
5. Morph
6. AP
7. Wolfy

[Riddleton]

I've already said I think Riddleton is scum.

He still hasn't returned the favor and explained why I'm scum though. It's like he's been calling me scum for no reason...

I said I'll post my case on you later. Please be patient. There are other things to respond to first.

[Riddleton]

Sorry, the above needs clarification. It looked to me like morph knew for certain that I was going to die tonight.

Does anyone else find this odd?

[morph the cat]

I don't know what post he was responding to.

We did think that either The Bulge or Wolfy were the most likely to be nk'd though, simply based on Wolfy's claim.

[morph the cat]

riddleton what is your Elmo read?

[Riddleton]

Town.

[morph the cat]

basis?

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Oh and am I first in this mass claim ish thingy we're doing >_>
VT bay bay. All the way. I was mad disappointed in this

[vezokpiraka]

The not as awesome as zmuffin's votecounts Votecount

Gameplay506 (1): Riddleton
Not voting (6): reinoe, Elmo TeH AzN, morph the cat, AngryPidgeon, Wolfy, gamplay506

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline hits in (expired on 2014-09-05 20:00:00). Added about 4 more hours to the deadline so I'm awake when it hits.

[AngryPidgeon]

I want muffin's rainbow VCs back. ; )

[AngryPidgeon]

Sorry, the above needs clarification. It looked to me like morph knew for certain that I was going to die tonight.

Does anyone else find this odd?

Not really. I didn't think Bulge's logic there made much sense. Morph is scum and trying to be protown by getting claim lists out, but they 'slipped' by deciding to exclude someone? Scum hardly goes into night phase knowing who they are going to kill for sure imo, unless there is daytalk maybe but I looked on the wiki and I dont see any reason to believe there is. Bulge dying honestly makes me think its less likely Morph is scum since Bulge was arguing that his death makes them scum. Buuut honestly killing Bulge makes a lot of sense regardless of who is scum because Wolfy was claiming a clear on him and he was pretty much a universal townread for that.

[morph the cat]

I've been trying to decide if riddleton townslipped yesterday re the mafia can't RB and kill on the same night thing.

[Riddleton]

Elmo is town. His meta is always the "Do little, but post in the background" strategy. Here are some posts which I feel are town:-
-#776 awknowledges we can't just keep flinging shit and need to come up with more conclusive cases. He wouldn't say that as mafia; it's hypocritical.
-Neither would he say something like #771 as mafia for the same reason
-Finally PoE. I have towntells on him, and because I scumread morph, Gameplay & Reinoe (all 3 scum), he can not be scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

At this point I think one of Riddleton/Gameplay is scum; I strongly doubt they are bussing each other at this point and if this were town on town, then this game is over. Also I'd expect to see some hedgy votes flying out from scum, but that isn't happening.

I think Morph is town tbh. Not a great read, but so far they seem engaged in trying to solve the game and them using meta is a towntell for those two. I would love to hear their analysis on BJC when they get done with that. I still think Wolfy is likely town; I think mass claim will help me feel better about that if we do that today. At this point, it looks like we are lynching one of gameplay/riddleton sooooo, dunno how useful mass claim is given that.

So I'm going to focus on reading Wolfy when I go through D1. I think he is town and I want to be sure of that. Wolfy, where do you stand on Gameplay and Riddleton right now? Morph is a bit meh and I would rather try to get a read on them Today than try and understand their predecessors since they are no longer here. Stay tuned.

I think I'm tentatively seeing Elmo/Reinoe/{Riddleton/Gameplay} here. If I'm wrong about one of the first 2 then maybe Morph.

[reinoe]

still waiting for that Riddleton case...

[Riddleton]

and them using meta is a towntell for those two.

I don't think using meta is a tell. At most, it's a nulltell.

[Riddleton]

still waiting for that Riddleton case...

Please have some patience. I'm writing it up as well as replying to some posts here as well. Would you be OK waiting another hour?

[AngryPidgeon]

still waiting for that Riddleton case...

I wanted to claim yesterday to avoid any possible confusion and he implied he had strong reason to think Venrob was scum (other than just having a role, at least from what I understood). I'm nervous about him calling Wolfy confirmed when Wolfy is most certainly not confirmed. I'm also a little wary that he instavoted in what he believes to be lylo.

Still, my gut kind of likes him for town for reasons I can't really qualify. I think his play is rather extravagant for a newer player if he is actually scum. I would be ridiculously impressed if he is. So I don't know what I think exactly. I really need to get a better grasp on him when I catch up.

[reinoe]

still waiting for that Riddleton case...

Please have some patience. I'm writing it up as well as replying to some posts here as well. Would you be OK waiting another hour?

OK. I'm not used to people posting and building a case. <----Not Sarcasm btw.

[morph the cat]

I've been trying to decide if riddleton townslipped yesterday re the mafia can't RB and kill on the same night thing.

AP thoughts on this?

[Riddleton]

still waiting for that Riddleton case...

Please have some patience. I'm writing it up as well as replying to some posts here as well. Would you be OK waiting another hour?

OK. I'm not used to people posting and building a case. <----Not Sarcasm btw.

Yeah, I do it at the same time as it takes me a while to build cases.

[morph the cat]

still waiting for that Riddleton case...

I wanted to claim yesterday to avoid any possible confusion and he implied he had strong reason to think Venrob was scum (other than just having a role, at least from what I understood). I'm nervous about him calling Wolfy confirmed when Wolfy is most certainly not confirmed. I'm also a little wary that he instavoted in what he believes to be lylo.

Still, my gut kind of likes him for town for reasons I can't really qualify. I think his play is rather extravagant for a newer player if he is actually scum. I would be ridiculously impressed if he is. So I don't know what I think exactly. I really need to get a better grasp on him when I catch up.

I think he's played offsite. possibly extensively. He said something about having played this setup a few times elsewhere.

[reinoe]

I'm really starting to think Gameplay is scum.