Open 32 - Pick Your Poison Mafia (Game Over!), before 470

[Patrick]

Oh man. I can tell this is going to be a frustrating game. We seem to have so many oppotunistic people. I agree that SSF's mindset is scummy though I've seen it from some inexperienced town as well. But the vote's still happy on Mert, since he's ignored my question and I feel like he'd know better than to ask for a claim based on so little.

[Ms Piggy]

Frustrating, noooooooooooooooooooooo. This game needs to make me smile!!!

Everyone = Smile and let the sunshine through!

[somestrangeflea]

"If one is frustrated because of a game,
then the game serves no purpose."
-Anon

[Rishi]

In fairness to somestrangeflea, I'm in another game with him and he's playing the same way there. I think he is just very, very impatient.

[Mert]

Oh man. I can tell this is going to be a frustrating game. We seem to have so many oppotunistic people. I agree that SSF's mindset is scummy though I've seen it from some inexperienced town as well. But the vote's still happy on Mert, since he's ignored my question and I feel like he'd know better than to ask for a claim based on so little.

On the contrary, I'm coming around to the idea that one claim on Day One can actually be very beneficial for the town in terms of information. Not particularly on Day One itself, but as we approach endgame it can be very interesting to see reactions to the request for a claim (ie. who supports it, who thinks it's stupid), reactions to the claim itself and the true alignment of the claiming and requesting players if they die before that point.

It clearly wouldn't be appropriate in all games, but I believe that in this one it certainly could be. We're already getting some information from the request for a claim and my reluctance to answer your question immediately stemmed from the fact that this was essentially an information-gathering exercise that I didn't want to put a stop to too soon.

[Patrick]

On the contrary, I'm coming around to the idea that one claim on Day One can actually be very beneficial for the town in terms of information. Not particularly on Day One itself, but as we approach endgame it can be very interesting to see reactions to the request for a claim (ie. who supports it, who thinks it's stupid), reactions to the claim itself and the true alignment of the claiming and requesting players if they die before that point.

You got me interested now. If xyzzy is protown and claims, it's either slightly bad (if townie) or very bad (if we're forced to out a powerole). If he's scum then of course it's good to get him to claim early, but I don't see that much evidence to suggest he is, which must presumably be your point of view too since you recently said we're hardly out of random voting yet.

I'll grant you that you are getting reactions though.

[Mert]

Patrick, I'll concede that my asking for a claim that early was a gambit but I plan to reread all the posts regarding the claim in a couple of days once we know more. If I'm totally honest, I wasn't particularly expecting him to claim immediately, at least not without at least a few other players asking to, so the way other people react to my post will be useful info later. Except that's kind of stopped now people know my intentions, but I think we might have something we can use, if nothing else. Even those who posted but ignored my request for a claim are giving us info.

On another note, I've been thinking about this a bit... I think it's probably unlikely that scum would choose Cop and Doc for the power roles due to the power this'd give, so in my opinion there's probably a vig out there someplace. This could help us in the coming days, for sure. Pure conjecture/WIFOM/whatever, but I'm just thinking aloud right now about the setup.

Thoughts?

[Honary Hitchhiker]

I'm pretty content with my vote on xyzzy however I have some doubts on him actually being scum instead just a townie making some scummy plays. Reason being on my vote is that xyzzy claming certain people as scum which is fine but not explaining much for his actions and there isn't really evidence on how they are indeed scum. This vote might change as the game goes on.

[Rishi]

On another note, I've been thinking about this a bit... I think it's probably unlikely that scum would choose Cop and Doc for the power roles due to the power this'd give, so in my opinion there's probably a vig out there someplace. This could help us in the coming days, for sure. Pure conjecture/WIFOM/whatever, but I'm just thinking aloud right now about the setup.

Thoughts?

Well, I don't think vig was one of the choices. They had to choose between Cop, Doctor and Roleblocker. I think Roleblocker is a no-brainer. The roleblocker can easily interfere with the town if he guesses incorrectly and the Mafia can easily send the person who comes across as the most "Pro-Town" to do the kill.

As for the other role, I'm not sure. If it were me, I'd pick Cop. Having two people out there that can possibly prevent a kill could be brutal.

[Mert]

Haha, note to self: read the other roles in the game before spending time trying to work out the setup

Please ignore the latter paragraph in my previous post.

[schismatized]

I think that wagon got a lot of info from xyzzy. If someone had to die right now, it would be him. Its much to early for that so i am going to

unvote vote: Mert

.

Im not sure i like his whole day one claim theory post, and then it looks like he was just covering his behind saying he was just trying to get reactions.

[Honary Hitchhiker]

Unoffical Vote Count

(1)

Patrick

- (xyzzy)
(1)

Shanba

-(dylan41985)
(2)

Mert

-(Patrick, Schismatized)
(3)

Xyzzy

-(Somestrangeflea,Honary Hitchhiker,Mneme)
(3)

Somestrangeflea

-(JDodge,Ms Piggy, Shanba)

[dylan41985]

i'm going to

unvote

because it was random

[somestrangeflea]

In the

sole

interest of not getting deadlined...

Unvote
Vote: Mert

[Shanba]

I don't buy the Mert bandwagon, tbh.

Dylan. Waht are your thoughts on the game so far?

[Rishi]

Unoffical Vote Count

(1)

Patrick

- (xyzzy)
(1)

Shanba

-(dylan41985)
(2)

Mert

-(Patrick, Schismatized)
(3)

Xyzzy

-(Somestrangeflea,Honary Hitchhiker,Mneme)
(3)

Somestrangeflea

-(JDodge,Ms Piggy, Shanba)

You missed my vote on dylan41985, which is still active. Seriously, if you're going to pretend to be a mod, then at least get your votes right. Otherwise, step away and let yellowbounder do his job.

[JDodge]

Unoffical Vote Count

(1)

Patrick

- (xyzzy)
(1)

Shanba

-(dylan41985)
(2)

Mert

-(Patrick, Schismatized)
(3)

Xyzzy

-(Somestrangeflea,Honary Hitchhiker,Mneme)
(3)

Somestrangeflea

-(JDodge,Ms Piggy, Shanba)

You missed my vote on dylan41985, which is still active. Seriously, if you're going to pretend to be a mod, then at least get your votes right. Otherwise, step away and let yellowbounder do his job.

Translation: IF YOU'RE GOING TO HELP OF YOUR OWN VOLITION, DO IT RIGHT OR ELSE

[Rishi]

In the

sole

interest of not getting deadlined...

Unvote
Vote: Mert

You know... it says in the game rules that we might get deadlined, but there has been no threat of it and it's not looming. You are seriously looking for a quicklynch, which really hurts the town. We're not going to get deadlined if you say something useful and contribute to the discussion. But, instead, you think you can just toss your votes around until everyone randomly votes for the same person. What is your hurry?

Unvote

Vote: somestrangeflea

[Rishi]

Translation: IF YOU'RE GOING TO HELP OF YOUR OWN VOLITION, DO IT RIGHT OR ELSE

Meh. Everything is getting on my nerves today. Maybe I shouldn't play Mafia when I'm in a bad mood.

[Mert]

I hope everyone has made a note of SSF jumping off the Xyzzywagon and on to mine, giving me three votes and Xyzzy two. Avoiding a non-existant deadline by hopping off one three vote wagon to create another seems noteworthy.

[somestrangeflea]

You know... it says in the game rules that we might get deadlined, but there has been no threat of it and it's not looming. You are seriously looking for a quicklynch, which really hurts the town. We're not going to get deadlined if you say something useful and contribute to the discussion. But, instead, you think you can just toss your votes around until everyone randomly votes for the same person. What is your hurry?

I have absolutely no hurry whatsoever. I know that a quicklynch hurts the town. I merely dislike the idea of having discussion dead for two days straight. My post was an attempt to restart discussion. It worked, hence I win.

I hope everyone has made a note of SSF jumping off the Xyzzywagon and on to mine, giving me three votes and Xyzzy two. Avoiding a non-existant deadline by hopping off one three vote wagon to create another seems noteworthy.

The vote was an attempt to restart discussion. Since it has:

Unvote
Vote: Xyzzy

I have absolutely nothing against you Mert.

I hate to say this but, IMHO, putting someone at Lynch-4 in a 3 scum game is hardly a quicklynch...

[JDodge]

Ooooh, he's getting panicky!

[somestrangeflea]

What?

I voted, very obviously with

little

no evidence, then explained my reasoning behind it.

"Panicky"...

[JDodge]

What?

I voted, very obviously with

little

no evidence, then explained my reasoning behind it.

"Panicky"...

Panicky.

Your turn!

[Ms Piggy]

Oh, you're right! There's only one protown playing style - your's of course - and anyone who doesn't have that playstyle (me) is obvious scum.

Golly, since I use these basic tactics every game, I must always be scum, which is strange because I'm not.[/sarcasm]

Mert, stop being a frickin' moran.

Yeah, I would rather vote Xyzzy than anyone else right now.

unvote, vote xyzzy