Mini 462: Just another game of Mafia... over

[hand banana]

ok, so far, my impresion on Nekka-Lucifer is:

either he's a) inexperienced townie, or a b)good mafia.
a) is getting us nowhere, and b) will also be fruitless for now.

because of that, and because i think it's "a)" much more likely than "b)"

Unvote: Nekka-Lucifer

i'd like inactive players to take part in the game, or be prodded.

[Khelvaster]

nekka definitely seems like an inexperienced townie to me.

[Jenter Brolincani]

...

NL, if you have suspicions then there is no reason in being cloak and dagger about it. if you are town, then more of us than not are your friends and you have ntohing to hide... if you are, that is...

[Nekka-Lucifer]

It seemed like a good trick to pull as Mafia would get worried and so an easy choice of a vote

[Nekka-Lucifer]

EBWOP: Sorry.

[Falcone]

Nekka, you still haven't said who the one person you were supicious of was. Do you mind sharing (+ reasons if possible)?

Hand banana, why did you suspect khelvaster in post 36? Also, why the sudden change of heart about Nekka (posts 45 vs 48 & 50)?

To the people complaining about those who haven't posted yet: Relax! The game hasn't even been going for two days, and in a weekend no less. No reason to worry about lurkers yet.

[hand banana]

why did you suspect khelvaster in post 36

just a hunch i got from reading page1. nothing i could back up right now.

why the sudden change of heart about Nekka (posts 45 vs 48 & 50)?

nope.
no "change of hearts".
i felt like he's protown right away, and that's why i said "
you are doing nothing usefull to the town" when i placed my vote, and not "you're scum"
that vote was just a way of making him stop, 'cause i felt we're milking the dead cow.

and we still got nothing people
(at least that's my opinion)

[Nekka-Lucifer]

It was actually you, hand banana. It was weak proof, I must admit but you got shocked, first person to say IVE NOT DONE ANYTHING and the allsorts for that matter

If I was in your position (Which is always hard because we dont know his role) then I would have said, you seem scum, Vote: so and so...

I wouldn't have said all that other stuff... To myself, I don't seem to be making much sense so I really feel sorry for the rest of you.

[Nekka-Lucifer]

EBWOP: you also seem to think you are incharge, saying

i'd like inactive players to take part in the game, or be prodded.

instead of something like
Mod: Can we get a prod on the inactive players (btw I don't forward the motion to get a prod)

[PJ.]

This is Nekka's second or third game.

Nekka did you get the reactions you wanted? Who did you get them from? Any new suspicions?

[Tarhalindur]

why did you suspect khelvaster in post 36

just a hunch i got from reading page1. nothing i could back up right now.

why the sudden change of heart about Nekka (posts 45 vs 48 & 50)?

nope.
no "change of hearts".
i felt like he's protown right away, and that's why i said "
you are doing nothing usefull to the town" when i placed my vote, and not "you're scum"
that vote was just a way of making him stop, 'cause i felt we're milking the dead cow.

and we still got nothing people
(at least that's my opinion)

Something bugs me about your reasoning here.

You say that you had "no change of hearts", and that you "felt like he's pro-town right away", but in the same post you say that Nekka-Lucifer is "doing nothing usefull to the town", which I read as "is acting scummy". Given that, why do you think Nekka-Lucifer is town? Moreover, why vote for Nekka-Lucifer if you feel that he's pro-town? Just telling him to stop and explaining why he should stop should be enough to let him know that he needs to change what he's doing.

Could you explain yourself further, please? I approve of you trying to spark discussion, but with the explanations you've given are making you look scummy in the process.

Minor FoS: hand banana

pending further explanation.

Oh, and given that the thread's been up since Wednesday and effectively open since Thursday, can we have a

Mod Prod

on ac1983fan?

[PJ.]

Game has been open 2 days.

FOS people lurker hunting

[hand banana]

doing nothing useful to the town", which I read as "is acting scummy"

no, it isn't the same.
doing nothing useful for the town meant to sound like "i think you're pro-town and you're channeling discussion into a dead end", that's all. vote was my way of pressuring him. he reacted the way he did, and i felt there was no need too keep my vote on him any more.
i will not explain this any further.
oh, and

FoS: Tarhalindur

for trying to revive completely useless and finished discussion. it is very clear to everyone what i wanted to do, and it's also clear what NLucifer wanted to do.
move on.

[Khelvaster]

good point with the fos: lurker hunting. Scum tend not to be absolute lurkers.

[Tarhalindur]

doing nothing useful to the town", which I read as "is acting scummy"

no, it isn't the same.
doing nothing useful for the town meant to sound like

"i think you're pro-town and you're channeling discussion into a dead end"

, that's all. vote was my way of pressuring him. he reacted the way he did, and i felt there was no need too keep my vote on him any more.
i will not explain this any further.

There's the kind of explanation I was looking for.

UnFoS: hand banana

(Since English isn't your native language - for future reference, with English syntax "doing nothing useful to the town" could be intrepreted to mean either "you look pro-town to me, but your posting isn't helping the town" or "you look scummy to me, but I don't really want to call you out on it".)

oh, and

FoS: Tarhalindur

for trying to revive completely useless and finished discussion. it is very clear to everyone what i wanted to do, and it's also clear what NLucifer wanted to do.
move on.

But is that what the town wants? Is it in the town's best interest to move on? I find it difficult to accept that we should just ignore unusual and/or scummy behavior simply because one or two people want to move on.

[Nekka-Lucifer]

lol, I've just seen the 2nd page vote count, and where Jenter voted Tarhalindur, but said Tarwhatsyamacallit, that's what the Mod actually put

[PJ.]

FoS:HandBanana

No discussion in a mafia game is ever dead. We simply move on. One can always ask questions and re-discuss the conversation to further understand or prove a point. Your offense to this a very scummy, especially because you are an aggressive player. Generally aggressive players never throw anything out because they want as much ammo as possible.

FoS Tarhilindur

for not pointing the above out. You should never accept, "that discussion is over" as an answer. I'm mulling over the idea that you and hand banana are distancing each other, because you seem to be appearing to attack rather then actually making an point.

Nekka, post something useful.

[Nekka-Lucifer]

I thought it was just worth making a point

[PJ.]

No. Posting game related things is worth making a point. Not a funny thing the mod did that most people aleady caught.

[Tarhalindur]

FoS:HandBanana

No discussion in a mafia game is ever dead. We simply move on. One can always ask questions and re-discuss the conversation to further understand or prove a point. Your offense to this a very scummy, especially because you are an aggressive player. Generally aggressive players never throw anything out because they want as much ammo as possible.

FoS Tarhilindur

for not pointing the above out. You should never accept, "that discussion is over" as an answer. I'm mulling over the idea that you and hand banana are distancing each other, because you seem to be appearing to attack rather then actually making an point.

Nekka, post something useful.

*cough*

But is that what the town wants? Is it in the town's best interest to move on? I find it difficult to accept that we should just ignore unusual and/or scummy behavior simply because one or two people want to move on.

What's this about not pointing out that discussion is over (or, at least, set aside) only when the town decides that is wise?

Or are you really asking "why aren't you attacking hand banana for his "discussion is over" comment? (A: hand banana's play so far looks like the aggressive pro-town play I've seen in other games - given that and his statement that he likes to play aggressively, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for now.)

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I'd like to take a closer look at Nekka-Lucifer, myself. I don't like how he said that he had suspicions on three people, then backtracked and told us that there was only one person he suspected. Moreover, I find Nekka-Lucifer's apparent reluctance to reveal who he suspected scummy, especially since 5-6 players had posted in favor of him revealing his suspicions. Finally, I'm getting really concerned about Nekka's recent tendency to post random commentary instead of offering actual thoughts about the game - we're out of the random voting stage, you know.

Unvote: Falcone, Vote: Nekka

[AlSleet]

I think Nekka was just genuinely trying to test a new strategy or something. And, while his play has been a little weak so far I honestly think he's making a sincere pro-town effort.

FOS: Panzerjager

[b/]

I didn't like your attempt to lurker hunt in the beginning and now you're throwing what seems to me like sometimes farfetched accusations at people.

[Elias_the_thief]

unvote

I have to agree with alsleet here. Those last two fos's you threw out were pretty odd in my opinion. The first is based on your perception of Nekkas playstyle, which could in fact be wrong. Its also based on what your perception of what an aggressive player would do, which I dont agree with. Anyways, if someone brings up old discussion to distract from current discussion, it actually would prick my scumdar. Though simply telling someone to stop isnt the same choice of words I wouldve used, I think the general point was not to go back to old stuff when there is plenty of new stuff.

And the second fos is like. really wierd. first, because tar actually did say something like that, and second, because the fact that someones opinions dont mirror your own is no reason for an fos.

Also, to take things back a ways, why are fosing people who are lurkerhunting? First, they werent really lurkerhunting, just asking for prods. if they had been voting lurkers, then it would be lurkerhunting. second, lurkerhunting is really only suspicious if its all they do. As long as they are participating in the game, why does it matter to you if they request a prod?

It seems to me youre just throwing random suspicions out there for no reason at all except to confuse us. It's not much, but its good enough for a

vote: panzerjager

at this point.

[Nekka-Lucifer]

@hand banana:- If you play agressively, why aren't you attacking me, this seems wierd to me. It seems you had partial evidence to claim me as scum, but you seem to have backed off. I feel his claim for agressive play was just a blanket incase he wanted to band-wagon...

[Nekka-Lucifer]

EBWOP: Not claiming you as scum, I just want an explanation for now.

[Elias_the_thief]

I feel his claim for agressive play was just a blanket incase he wanted to band-wagon...

Bandwagoning is not a scumtell. Intent to quicklynch is a scumtell. There is a difference. Bandwagons are good because they create discussion, as well as create records of peoples interactions with eachother.

On another note,

mod, can we find a replacement for N9V?

He replaced at the beginning but he hasnt posted once since the games beginning.