Mini 462: Just another game of Mafia... over

[Khelvaster]

The more important question, however, was the one you didn't answer.

So, do tell me Khelvaster, why would you be worried by people thinking that you're lurking?

Because if people think I'm lurking, I will seem more scummy than if I am not lurking. I think you're forgetting, town-aligned people don't want to look any scummier than scum-aligned people do.

[Elias_the_thief]

I have to agree there, the fact that he didnt want to look like a lurker does not make him suspicious.

[Nekka-Lucifer]

Post 99: That has to be the scummiest post I have ever seen in my life.

He neglects to explain his justifications ONLY because he doesn't feel like it. He could say he'll get back to it but he obviously doesn't.

Then he goes on to say that he has found all 3 scum. Anyone else feel like voting him yet?

[hand banana]

he has found all 3 scum

no, i didn't, and i didn't say that.
i said i felt like they are all very active, and in post 90 i said who are my suspects (and i could be wrong about them, too, the game has just started).

[Khelvaster]

You feel like they are all very active, implying you know who they are all

[Tarhalindur]

The more important question, however, was the one you didn't answer.

So, do tell me Khelvaster, why would you be worried by people thinking that you're lurking?

Because if people think I'm lurking, I will seem more scummy than if I am not lurking. I think you're forgetting, town-aligned people don't want to look any scummier than scum-aligned people do.

Or, in other words, "players don't want to look scummy". You have a point there. I'm still a bit concerned about you - IMO, voting for lurkers after 2 RL days is a rather scummy - but I can see why a town player might decide to go after lurkers as well.

Unvote: Khelvaster, FoS: Khelvaster

[hand banana]

yes i do.

not!

[Nekka-Lucifer]

Once again, he ignores my statement about him explaining himself. I'm FULLY convinced he's scum now, unless he comes up with a full-proof explanation w/out any loopholes, or anything for that matter.

In other words, I wont be changing my vote from now till Day 2.

[Falcone]

Very happy with my vote.

Hand banana wanted me to elaborate about my reasons for suspecting him, I did, and he didn't comment on it.

Also, he claims to have found at least one scum (post 90) or even three scum (post 99), but he didn't give any reasons.

Oddly enough, I also just noticed hand banana isn't even voting anyone. That's not suspicious per se, but still...

[Nekka-Lucifer]

According to his opening posts about agression, he isn't showing much of it.

[Nekka-Lucifer]

Oh, while I'm here, I would just like to ask if anyone has been making a vote leaf diagram thing of this game?

[Jenter Brolincani]

This is getting confusing and I haven't got much time to look through.

Votecount please ASAP.

PROD ROLAND

[Elias_the_thief]

I second the Roland prod. Also

On another note,

mod, can we find a replacement for N9V?

He replaced at the beginning but he

only

posted once since the games beginning.

fixed, he posted once, and i previously said he hadnt. But seriously, i think a replacement is in order.

[Khelvaster]

if the mod isn't replacing them, they probably answered the prod and are lurking as part of a strategy. These lurkers are most likely scum or power roles.

Regarding Hand Banana, he could be scum, or he could just be a noob. I can't find a way to defend him, but I don't want to take part in his lynch either. I am undecided about him.

[hand banana]

yes, i think mod should tell us if they answered the prod.
~N9V~ and rolandofthewhite.

mod?

and vote count would also be nice.

any new questions for me.. let's see...

Hand banana wanted me to elaborate about my reasons for suspecting him, I did, and he didn't comment on it.

the same reasons i explained before.

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Also, he claims to have found at least one scum (post 90) or even three scum (post 99), but he didn't give any reasons.

i never made such claim. i was talking about my suspects, and that is based on a hunch, not knowing.
but you fit into my definition of scum pretty well (playing just enough so you wouldn't be called lurker, being over causcious, exaggerating when describing your reasons for voting me, etc..)
earlier i said there was 60% chance that at least one of you or Khelvaster are scum.
now i think it's <10% that khel is scum and you are at the 90+ % mark.
thus,

vote: falcone

[hand banana]

about agression, he isn't showing much of it.

well, i was reading one game here (mini 443) and kinda decided to try something new..

[mnowax]

Vote Count:

Khelvaster- 2 (~N9V~, Panzerjager)
Panzerjager- 2 (rolandofthewhite, elias_the_theif)
hand banana - 2 (Nekka-Lucifer, Falcone)
Tarhalindur - 1 (Jenter Brolincani)
Falcone- 1 (hand banana)

Not voting (4): Tarhalindur, Khelvaster, , AlSleet, , ac1983fan

7 to lynch.

allso i am prodding people. They will have 96 hours or they will be replaced.

[Khelvaster]

earlier i said there was 60% chance that at least one of you or Khelvaster are scum.
now i think it's <10% that khel is scum and you are at the 90+ % mark.
thus, vote: falcone

This post doesn't strike me right. There is no way to even come close to truly assigning percentages that people are scum...Did you know 83% of statistics are made up?

[Elias_the_thief]

Did you know 83% of statistics are made up?

Like that one?
But seriously, how does one assign percentages? Also, why has Khel dropped so much?

[Nekka-Lucifer]

Actually I read somewhere that only 73% of statistics on the web are true and the rest false. But on tv, it goes up to 98.2% that are true. (Actual figures)

[Tarhalindur]

it seems you have partially neglected to explain (or you didn't see the post)

i don' feel like explaining that again. re-read the game.

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about Khelvaster: i re-read the game and at this point, i do believe him.

i don't think scum would be so careless and make a contradiction to himself this early in the game. you need more content to find scum inconsistencies.
i also think we need more pro-town players in this discussion, cause i feel that all 3 scum (i guess mod didn't do something wild, so there are 3 of them) are actively participating, and we won't be able to do much in a situation like that.

well, i was reading one game here (mini 443) and kinda decided to try something new..

Before hand banana's latest posts, my gut feeling was that hand banana was likely aggressive town, because he claimed that he prefers to play aggressively as town and his early actions made at least as much sense for a newb aggressive townie as they did for scum.

After these posts, however, I'm starting to like the case on hand banana. I can't see how hand banana thinks that his recent actions are helping the town find scum. I don't like how he's effectively admitting that he's not really playing aggressively in this game, especially since he stated early in the thread that he thinks aggressive play helps the town find scum. Most importantly, I can't think of a reason why a pro-town hand banana would think that refusing to explain something because he didn't feel like it is beneficial to the town. (If you've explained something earlier in the thread, the pro-town course of action is to point to the post where you explained earlier, not to refuse to explain again because you don't feel like it.)

Hand banana, I want you to answer Nekka-Lucifer's questions. Moreover, I want you to give a good explanation of why you think that refusing to give an explanation "because I don't feel like" could possibly be considered acceptable, much less good for the town. Finally, I want you to explain why you decided to be less aggressive in this game when you stated at the beginning of the game that you thought that aggressive play helped the town find scum.

FoS: hand banana

. This will be upgraded to a vote if you treat my questions the same way you treated Nekka's inquiries.

[Nekka-Lucifer]

After that, I feel that he has no choice to understand his inquiry. He probably will get suspected by most town to be scum, though we will need the support of all town except 2/3 unless the mafia decides that he is a lost cause and also votes him

Making it simple, it's explain or get lynched.

[hand banana]

what do you need me to explain?

Hand banana, I want you to answer Nekka-Lucifer's questions.

what questions? i answered them.

I want you to give a good explanation of why you think that refusing to give an explanation "because I don't feel like" could possibly be considered acceptable

i don't like explaining the obvious.

Finally, I want you to explain why you decided to be less aggressive in this game when you stated..

i said that to: "kinda decided to try something new.. "

[Khelvaster]

Hand Banana: I think many people believe that even if you turn out to be town, you are the least helpful townie we have, so it won't be that big of a loss.

[Khelvaster]

Can you at least try and defend yourself when people say things? Repeating yourself is better than saying "I already said this."

^^^^ I forgot to put that in my last post.