Open 25 - Jester Mafia (Jester Wins/Mafia 2nd) - before 462

[ThAdmiral]

That being the case I shall leave my vote where it is.

[gorckat]

What being the case?

[JDodge]

Unvote, Vote: Gorckat

[gorckat]

Erm- why?

[JDodge]

Erm- why?

Because it makes the scum not want to kill the Jester; make the town afraid of lynching and pick them off one-by-one.

[Sir Tornado]

A claim huh? That won't mean much in this setup. I'll tell you this: I'm Scum or Jester. Up to you to find out.

That's enough for me. Lawrence is scum. And, as I stated before, gorckat is his most likely scum buddy.

Let's go lynching already... who does the town want to strike first? Lawrencelot or gorckat?

[JDodge]

Gorck as he is not the Jester.

[Sir Tornado]

You think Lawrencelot is a jester? I feel that post (one I quoted in my last post) just about confirmed my suspicion of him as scum

[gorckat]

If the scum let a claimed Jester live and win when he gets lynched tomorrow, then I count it as a pyhrric victory.

The game now has a symbiotic/parasitic relatinship between scum and town- if they know Lawrence is the Jester, they

have

to kill him. Otherwise he gets lynched tomorrow and they lose. The

only

way they can win at this point is NKing Lawrence.

And if I'm wrong, show me how. My look at the raw numbers tells me lynching Lawrence, if he lives through the night, as the 100% correct play, assuming the scum do their bit and make the 100% correct play themselves.

And if you're objecting to my No-Lynch query, then show me why. Again, my look at the numbers show town doing very well in that case.

[JDodge]

More BS.

Your entire theory revolves around telling the scum what to do. I would not kill Lawrence in that situation if I were scum.

Besides, you can just tell yourself and Lawrence what to do at night anyways, no need to drag it out into the daytime.

[gorckat]

Then you would lose. If Lawrence makes it through the night, he is 100% scum and should be treated as such.

If the town must lynch someone today, then hit me and go after Lawrence tomorrow if he lives. I'm not the Jester and it won't lose the game if I hang.

And I'd really like to hear why Thad is also still voting Lawrence. I'm not convinced a Jester wouldn't make that statement (I'm scum or Jester, figure it out). Can someone can cite previous examples? I understand it seems

plausible

, but its a testable claim as I've described.

[JDodge]

Then you would lose. If Lawrence makes it through the night, he is 100% scum and should be treated as such.

If the town must lynch someone today, then hit me and go after Lawrence tomorrow if he lives. I'm not the Jester and it won't lose the game if I hang.

And I'd really like to hear why Thad is also still voting Lawrence. I'm not convinced a Jester wouldn't make that statement (I'm scum or Jester, figure it out). Can someone can cite previous examples? I understand it seems

plausible

, but its a testable claim as I've described.

Everybody lies.

[gorckat]

'Cept well-behaved townies.

[JDodge]

'Cept well-behaved townies.

Not really.

Lynch All Liars is bad.

[gorckat]

Fair enough, but that's another debate.

So tell me. If you were scum, how would letting Lawrence live be in any way possible the right play?

[Sir Tornado]

Then you would lose. If Lawrence makes it through the night, he is 100% scum and should be treated as such.

If the town must lynch someone today, then hit me and go after Lawrence tomorrow if he lives. I'm not the Jester and it won't lose the game if I hang.

And I'd really like to hear why Thad is also still voting Lawrence. I'm not convinced a Jester wouldn't make that statement (I'm scum or Jester, figure it out). Can someone can cite previous examples? I understand it seems

plausible

, but its a testable claim as I've described.

No problem.

Unvote

Vote gorckat

[JDodge]

Fair enough, but that's another debate.

So tell me. If you were scum, how would letting Lawrence live be in any way possible the right play?

Why would the town want to lynch the jester?

[gorckat]

They wouldn't, but the scum lose, too, if the Jester hangs. That's why it works. If the scum let the Jester live, the town lynches him under the assumption he's scum.

If the scum are playing to win, they have to NK the Jester.

And your question doesn't answer my question. What're

you

hiding?

[JDodge]

You are using craplogic every time.

Allow me to pull some arguements out of thin air as well if you're going to completely ignore my reasoning.

[gorckat]

What reasoning? You've made statements, but I haven't seen this thing you call 'reasoning'.

1) Lawrence claimed jester/scum
2) The jester can beat the mafia
3) If Lawrence is alive Day 2, he's no threat to the mafia
4) If Lawrence is alive Day 2, he's scum

That's my basic thought process on the matter. If the scum want to lose, they let a jester live.

I feel like a broken record...

[JDodge]

EVERYONE. LIES.

Do I need to bold it, print it out and mail it to you for you to understand that?

I could EASILY see it as a gambit.

[gorckat]

So you're saying

who

is lying?

Lawrence? Then he's a vanilla that deserves to be lynched for claiming jester/scum. What good did that do us?

Me? I'll hang and you'll see I wasn't.

If the scum want to gambit the game away by letting the Jester live, punish them by voting him. I can't say it anymore clearly than that. They deserve to lose if they let a Jester live.

[JDodge]

I've seen a similar thing in Vengeful setups where a townie will claim GF to figure out the scum.

[Battle Mage]

EVERYONE. LIES.

Do I need to bold it, print it out and mail it to you for you to understand that?

I could EASILY see it as a gambit.

you think a townie pretending to be jester or scum is a gambit?
im not seeing the logic of that...

maybe Gorckat is buying time for his scumbuddy, but his logic makes sense. we can afford to No Lynch today, in order to get some confirmation tomorrow.

BM

[WeyounsLastClone]

Wow, I'm really confused by Lawrence's claim. I just don't see how he benefits from it. Perhaps he's townie, and with this claim he manages to live yet one more day?