Open 20 - Pie E7 (Game over) - before 453

[JordanA24]

'cuz he's obv scum with Ripley.

I have my reasons, actually, but I'd rather not spill them at this particular time.

I really hope that wasn't a badly premature cop claim.

That, or he may be the roleblocker we're looking for.

Woah. What's going on here? Why are you fishing to find out whether or not he's the cop? He says he has a reason to think you're scum with Ripley, and you immediately go on to assume he might be a cop... would a cop get a guilty result on you Jordan? Who am I voting... oh yep. Happy with that.

back again...
i like your theory Patrick, but that doesn't mean you can't be mafia this game. And what if YOU are the roleblocker and you are trying to take our eyes off you (paranoia is here for me)?

It's just a useful thing for everyone to know. Being aware of what we can do with our poweroles. I could be scum like anyone else.

I wasn't fishing, I sincerly hope that wasn't the cop claim, and he might be insane or paranoid if he is. Sorry, that was a very noobish post. Apologies.

[Aimee]

Jordan, there hasn't been a night-phase yet. Ergo, Simenon cannot have any results, even if he was a cop.

[CrashTextDummie]

Vote Count

:

JordanA24

(2):

Simenon, Patrick

Patrick

(1):

Teffc

Ripley

(1)]:

Paradoxombie

Simenon

(1):

JordanA24

Paradoxombie

(1):

Aimee

Not voting

(1):

Ripley

7 alive, 4 to lynch.

[JordanA24]

Jordan, there hasn't been a night-phase yet. Ergo, Simenon cannot have any results, even if he was a cop.

:goodposting:

Which makes me even more intrigued at Simenon, explain please.

[JordanA24]

Damn smilies

[Patrick]

Well actually it tends to make me even more intrigued at you Jordan. I suggest you read the mod's posts at the start of the game which describe the setup, as I'm assuming you haven't so far. I still find it worrying that when Simenon says he's certain Jordan is scum, Jordan seems to jump immediately to Simenon being a cop, suggests maybe a guilty conscience.

[Simenon]

It was fun to watch jordan squirm.

[JordanA24]

There's nothing on the mods posts that mention the Cops sanity. And I'm trying to get a bit of meaningful discussion going, suppose you could say I achieved it. Rather noobish I'll admit, guess you have to learn from mistakes though.

[Patrick]

For the record, cop is sane.

[JordanA24]

Right, thanks.

Any, Simenon, explaination?

[JordanA24]

EBWOP: Any

way

[Simenon]

Right, thanks.

Any, Simenon, explaination?

Why I'm voting you?

The quick assumption that I was a cop when I declared you scum is the biggest thing we have to go on in the thread.

[JordanA24]

Not answering my question Sim. Why did you say you had reasons to believe I was scum?

[Simenon]

Because I had reasons to believe they were scum. I don't think it's in mine or the town's interest to name said reasons.

[JordanA24]

With no night? I think I'm happy with my vote right now.

[Simenon]

I believe I am right to suspect you of deflecting. That's another reason for my vote.

I do have reasons posted in thread for why I started looking at you. But they are entirely irrelevant. What matters is why I'm voting you now. And I'm voting you for thinking I was a cop when I said

you

were scum.

My vote (or keeping my vote) was my way of demonstrating I was going to continue looking at you, or because I didn't want to ruin any particular reactions I could glean from you being under increased pressure.

Take a Mafia 101 class, plx.

[JordanA24]

I believe I am right to suspect you of deflecting. That's another reason for my vote.

I do have reasons posted in thread for why I started looking at you.

If you mean those jokey comments on page 1, you were really scraping the bottom of the barrel. How do jokes give you reasons to believe that someone is scum. How could I have been sure that you were sane? The mod didn't say anything of it.

[Patrick]

Sane or not isn't really the point Jordan. The point is that when he said he's sure you're scum, your mind jumped to him being a cop with a guilty on you. Your average protown player doesn't assume that a cop will have a guilty on them. I feel such an assumption is more likely to come from jumpy scum.

[JordanA24]

Sane or not isn't really the point Jordan. The point is that when he said he's sure you're scum, your mind jumped to him being a cop with a guilty on you. Your average protown player doesn't assume that a cop will have a guilty on them. I feel such an assumption is more likely to come from jumpy scum.

It was really noobish and stupid I know, there's no real excuse, but I'm not scum. Why would I post something like that if I was scum trying to keep low on the radar? You can't really be jumpy if you can think about posting something before posting it.

[Patrick]

It was really noobish and stupid I know, there's no real excuse, but I'm not scum. Why would I post something like that if I was scum trying to keep low on the radar?

This is a WIFOM question. You're saying, in effect, "If I were scum, why would I do something that scummy?" If that was a valid defence, scum could explain away any scummy actions they do in that way. One reason I could conceivably see you as scum saying that would indeed be to try and figure out whether or not he's a cop. You worded it in a way that invited him to confirm or deny being a cop.

You can't really be jumpy if you can think about posting something before posting it.

It is possible to get nervous reactions even when playing forum mafia, though they would be more noticeable in real life mafia (which I've never played).

[JordanA24]

It was really noobish and stupid I know, there's no real excuse, but I'm not scum. Why would I post something like that if I was scum trying to keep low on the radar?

This is a WIFOM question. You're saying, in effect, "If I were scum, why would I do something that scummy?" If that was a valid defence, scum could explain away any scummy actions they do in that way.

Sorry, but it's the best defence I can offer, I can't explain away stupidness.

[Ripley]

One thing in Jordan's favor in all this is that if he were scum he'd have been more likely to be aware that the game didn't start with night. I mean, wouldn't you remember that you hadn't tried to kill anybody yet? I keep wondering whether there's some flaw in this argument, since nobody else (including Jordan) has mentioned it. Hmmm - maybe you might forget, especially if you were in a few games that had started around the same time; it's very easy to confuse them in the first pages.

Your average protown player doesn't assume that a cop will have a guilty on them. I feel such an assumption is more likely to come from jumpy scum.

I can see this argument, and at the same time, trying to put myself in the position of the jumpy scum (obviously difficult for someone who has led such a life of virtue as myself, but anyway)... if you thought there might be a player with a guilty result on you, would you actually

post that in the thread

? What would you gain from that?

One more thing: the second half of Jordan's post seems to have been forgotten:

I really hope that wasn't a badly premature cop claim.

That, or he may be the roleblocker we're looking for.

How does the roleblocker comment fit in with the "jumpy scum fearing a cop result" theory? Maybe I'm trying too hard here to find logical reasoning behind a panicky post. I really don't know.

[Patrick]

I can see this argument, and at the same time, trying to put myself in the position of the jumpy scum (obviously difficult for someone who has led such a life of virtue as myself, but anyway)... if you thought there might be a player with a guilty result on you, would you actually post that in the thread? What would you gain from that?

See my last post. He invited Simenon to confirm or deny being a cop. If Simenon is town, him saying cop or not cop directly benefits scum. However, even if there was no tangible benefit for scum to do something, that doesn't mean that it can't be a scumtell. It's true that many scumtells are based on scum doing stuff that benefits scum or hurts town, but not all of them are. Scum sometimes just make mistakes.

How does the roleblocker comment fit in with the "jumpy scum fearing a cop result" theory? Maybe I'm trying too hard here to find logical reasoning behind a panicky post. I really don't know.

How does it not fit in? It's not as though scum would never dream of accusing a player who they know is protown.

[Simenon]

If you mean those jokey comments on page 1, you were really scraping the bottom of the barrel. How do jokes give you reasons to believe that someone is scum. How could I have been sure that you were sane? The mod didn't say anything of it.

I never mentioned any "jokey" posts. Nope, not once.

One thing in Jordan's favor in all this is that if he were scum he'd have been more likely to be aware that the game didn't start with night. I mean, wouldn't you remember that you hadn't tried to kill anybody yet? I keep wondering whether there's some flaw in this argument, since nobody else (including Jordan) has mentioned it. Hmmm - maybe you might forget, especially if you were in a few games that had started around the same time; it's very easy to confuse them in the first pages.

That's not the argument, that's the justification that followed. I'm saying jordan wasn't exactly thinking everything through when he made the "lol if ur a cop dont cum out" post.

[Ripley]

How does it not fit in? It's not as though scum would never dream of accusing a player who they know is protown.

I think I've probably missed some link in the chain of argument here. I can't get from Jordan being scum trying to fish out a cop in one sentence, to Jordan calling the same player a roleblocker in the next. It just confuses me. Why a roleblocker? Sorry if I'm being dumb. It happens.