Mini 451 - Totally Awesome Mafia, Game Over

[Aimee]

3 goons + 1 SK is pretty standard for a mini, and leaving out a GF was the right choice considering the power-level of the town. However, I find the addition of a survivor/self-reviver rather questionable. When the town is in Lylo after only one mislynch, there's something wrong with the balance. Lynching the SK on D2 was the correct play based on the information we had, and we could have been punished for it.

Three Goons and an SK, plus doc and cop, is slightly town-biased. The risk of crosskills hurts the scum. The survivor is fine, as an unusual alternative to the GF to balance the game back slightly toward the scum. Two non-mafia lynches and no crosskills putting you in LyLo is not particularly unbalanced.

I personally believe it was unbalanced (having five players who weren't on the town's side). It basically only allowed us one mislynch - a pretty weak scenario which we did indeed find ourselves in.

[Stewie]

Stewie mentioned killing Aimee on Night 2, and me and NN thought Hijalti instead.

I think I did it again night three.

Um, why was I picked? I wouldn't call this one of my crowning achievements, although I was the doc. Was I dangerous?

You were lurking. I figured you had a powerrole and were purposely lurking to not give any tells.

[Aimee]

Stewie mentioned killing Aimee on Night 2, and me and NN thought Hijalti instead.

I think I did it again night three.

Um, why was I picked? I wouldn't call this one of my crowning achievements, although I was the doc. Was I dangerous?

You were lurking. I figured you had a powerrole and were purposely lurking to not give any tells.

Correct.

[Off the Mark]

What tells could a doc have anyway? I've heard it said docs are supposed to act doc-ish (non-aggressive) but I've never really understood that. Doesn't acting doc-ish make it easy for scum to find docs?

[Aimee]

Cogito Ergo Sum told me that docs are meant to be afraid of being lynched. That is one of their tells, anyway.

I tried to do the opposite of this. Apparently, I was only just successful - the scum wanted to kill me because I was too lurkerish, and considered to have a power-role. In short, my strategy almost backfired.

[The Fonz]

3 goons + 1 SK is pretty standard for a mini, and leaving out a GF was the right choice considering the power-level of the town. However, I find the addition of a survivor/self-reviver rather questionable. When the town is in Lylo after only one mislynch, there's something wrong with the balance. Lynching the SK on D2 was the correct play based on the information we had, and we could have been punished for it.

Three Goons and an SK, plus doc and cop, is slightly town-biased. The risk of crosskills hurts the scum. The survivor is fine, as an unusual alternative to the GF to balance the game back slightly toward the scum. Two non-mafia lynches and no crosskills putting you in LyLo is not particularly unbalanced.

I personally believe it was unbalanced (having five players who weren't on the town's side). It basically only allowed us one mislynch - a pretty weak scenario which we did indeed find ourselves in.

Two of those five bodies count

against

the mafia winning condition. You had two opportunities to nail mafia before you hit LyLo, and that's in the worst case scenario of no crosskills. What you forget in this scenario is a lynch of a neutral or an SK basically

is

a mislynch. Replacing the SK with a townie makes the scum's life

easier

.

[Aimee]

3 goons + 1 SK is pretty standard for a mini, and leaving out a GF was the right choice considering the power-level of the town. However, I find the addition of a survivor/self-reviver rather questionable. When the town is in Lylo after only one mislynch, there's something wrong with the balance. Lynching the SK on D2 was the correct play based on the information we had, and we could have been punished for it.

Three Goons and an SK, plus doc and cop, is slightly town-biased. The risk of crosskills hurts the scum. The survivor is fine, as an unusual alternative to the GF to balance the game back slightly toward the scum. Two non-mafia lynches and no crosskills putting you in LyLo is not particularly unbalanced.

I personally believe it was unbalanced (having five players who weren't on the town's side). It basically only allowed us one mislynch - a pretty weak scenario which we did indeed find ourselves in.

Two of those five bodies count

against

the mafia winning condition. You had two opportunities to nail mafia before you hit LyLo, and that's in the worst case scenario of no crosskills. What you forget in this scenario is a lynch of a neutral or an SK basically

is

a mislynch. Replacing the SK with a townie makes the scum's life

easier

.

No, but theoretically, by Day 3 there could be one person in the town left. In a twelve player game, that is unbalanced.

Panzer knows how much I <3 him though.

[The Fonz]

And, theoretically, there could be only one mafioso left without the town having lynched correctly at all. That seems unbalanced as well.

[Aimee]

And, theoretically, there could be only one mafioso left without the town having lynched correctly at all. That seems unbalanced as well.

Point taken, I guess. I get confused with game setups sometimes (I am a bit dim, I know). I consider it more balanced with 2 Mafia and an SK.

Am I a true idiot, or a genius?

[Off the Mark]

I think the balance was fine. Town had worst-case scenario after the first day, which shouldn't happen all that often.

A C9 setup is considered balance, and a mislynch on Day 1 puts you in LYLO on Day 2 in that setup too.

[PJ.]

Balance to me means, that both sides could be put at a disadvantage very easily. Day 1 is the only real day that it is truly balanced, kills unbalance it. Town just played like crap D1, which killed 3 vanillas.

[Off the Mark]

Two of those five bodies count

against

the mafia winning condition. You had two opportunities to nail mafia before you hit LyLo, and that's in the worst case scenario of no crosskills. What you forget in this scenario is a lynch of a neutral or an SK basically

is

a mislynch. Replacing the SK with a townie makes the scum's life

easier

.

Fonz, you realize the town was in lylo on Day 2, right? Not just Day 3? They just had 1 chance to nail scum, not 2.

What made you want to read this game, out of curiosity? You weren't trying to research me for our "bland, flavorless game" were you?

[Hjallti]

If I read a game to use meta gaming I wouldn't be that open about it!

[The Fonz]

And, theoretically, there could be only one mafioso left without the town having lynched correctly at all. That seems unbalanced as well.

Point taken, I guess. I get confused with game setups sometimes (I am a bit dim, I know). I consider it more balanced with 2 Mafia and an SK.

Am I a true idiot, or a genius?

Two mafia and an SK makes it very, very hard for the mafia to win. It seems to me like you're looking at it only thru the prism of 'Oh no, the SK makes the town's life harder!' Trust me, in a game like this, SKs who survive any decent length of time give the scum fits. (I know this from games elsewhere). The SK in a mini isn't an unbalancing factor, but it's a destablising one- the game doesn't start unbalanced, but it can get that way very quickly. Consider the difference between the SK hitting a scummer, and a cop, night one.

Balance to me means, that both sides could be put at a disadvantage very easily. Day 1 is the only real day that it is truly balanced, kills unbalance it. Town just played like crap D1, which killed 3 vanillas.

What he said, basically.

[Aimee]

And, theoretically, there could be only one mafioso left without the town having lynched correctly at all. That seems unbalanced as well.

Point taken, I guess. I get confused with game setups sometimes (I am a bit dim, I know). I consider it more balanced with 2 Mafia and an SK.

Am I a true idiot, or a genius?

Two mafia and an SK makes it very, very hard for the mafia to win. It seems to me like you're looking at it only thru the prism of 'Oh no, the SK makes the town's life harder!' Trust me, in a game like this, SKs who survive any decent length of time give the scum fits. (I know this from games elsewhere). The SK in a mini isn't an unbalancing factor, but it's a destablising one- the game doesn't start unbalanced, but it can get that way very quickly. Consider the difference between the SK hitting a scummer, and a cop, night one.

I think this is why I dislike neutrals in mini games.

[The Fonz]

What made you want to read this game, out of curiosity? You weren't trying to research me for our "bland, flavorless game" were you?

Before I forget- no. Since I didn't read this one till after I died there. I'd just been nightkilled in one game, a couple of others had just gone to night, and others were stalling, so i was bored. Simple as that.

[MeMe]

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