433: Dry, bland, generic mafia: Game Over

[petroleumjelly]

Hi. Have you not seen where I am waiting for CPE? Pretty sure I've said that at least twice by now. He's a goner tonight, and he's our confirmed innocent. I'd say ending the day without him giving us the green light is pretty stupid.

[gorckat]

I find it interesting that you are not ending it, PJ. Pie has no votes, Gorckat is at lynch -1. You said you have no preference. Put your money where your mouth is.

Mustard's getting thick, there, isn't it? I thought townies had to be cautious?

[petroleumjelly]

And actually, {Pie + OTM} is still possible. I had thought OTM had the possibility to hammer right there, but he did not.

[Off the Mark]

Here's a quick PJ recap:

PJ replaced Nanook who replaced Eletriar.

Eletriar was pretty scummy. Not much content, semi-lurking, seemed to be a follower. Nanook's posting was ok, but his voting pattern was quite scummy. He was an obvious follower who tried to jump on bandwagons once momentum had built. He made the comment that he was convinced Pie was the real doc instead of Dodgy, which made me think he was town, but there's also the possibility that Nanook-scum would think Dodgy could be the SK false-claiming doc. Or he could have made it up (which would be pretty clever, but not impossible).

PJ came in with some decent analysis, although he seemed overly convinced that kilm and I were a scum pair. He voted Gorckat initially, but unvoted when actual pressure started to build on Gorckat, and then voted for SSF to help finish off the lynch (4th vote).

Looking over that, PJ's way scummier than Pie. Pie's only hint of scumminess was that he was pushing heavily for Dodgy and inHim to both claim on Day 1. And it's debatable as to whether or not that's a pro-town move. Besides that, I see no problem whatsoever with Pie's play.

[Off the Mark]

Hi. Have you not seen where I am waiting for CPE? Pretty sure I've said that at least twice by now. He's a goner tonight, and he's our confirmed innocent. I'd say ending the day without him giving us the green light is pretty stupid.

How convenient. You think he's changed his mind? He is voting for gorckat you know.

[petroleumjelly]

Hi. Have you not seen where I am waiting for CPE? Pretty sure I've said that at least twice by now. He's a goner tonight, and he's our confirmed innocent. I'd say ending the day without him giving us the green light is pretty stupid.

How convenient. You think he's changed his mind? He is voting for gorckat you know.

It has nothing to do with getting him to change his mind. I'm mostly waiting to see if he'll take a stand on {me v Pie}.

[Off the Mark]

I find it interesting that you are not ending it, PJ. Pie has no votes, Gorckat is at lynch -1. You said you have no preference. Put your money where your mouth is.

Mustard's getting thick, there, isn't it? I thought townies had to be cautious?

I didn't say he

should

be ending it, I just think he is being hypocritical, and I am calling attention to it.

[Off the Mark]

It has nothing to do with getting him to change his mind. I'm mostly waiting to see if he'll take a stand on {me v Pie}.

I didn't say anything about "getting him to change his mind". Now why would you assume that? You just slipped up, big time.

[petroleumjelly]

No comments on Southpaw, OTM? You looked at the people preceding me, why not Pie?

[petroleumjelly]

I didn't say anything about "getting him to change his mind". Now why would you assume that? You just slipped up, big time.

Hunh, lemme think.

How convenient.

You think he's changed his mind?

He is voting for gorckat you know.

[Off the Mark]

Read it again. Your take on it has a different meaning than what I originally said.

[Off the Mark]

I didn't get a strong feeling either way from Southpaw. I forgot Pie was a replacement, actually, as it happened before I replaced in.

[petroleumjelly]

When I read your post, it reads roughly as:

"Do you think CPE is going to be changing his vote?", and since you've sorta been

accusing me of being scum

, that has the implication of "Do you think you've convinced CPE to change his vote?".

See, when I play mafia, I tend to do this strange thing of reading between the lines. The

tone

of a post is often just as informative as the

surface wording

of the post. Your

tone

adds to the accusatory nature of your post, which is what

I

was responding to.

[Off the Mark]

I'm mostly waiting to see if he'll take a stand on {me v Pie}.

I have another problem with this:

Why is this important for a townie to know at this point? I can understand why a scum would want to know this (to help him know who to nightkill) but I can't for the life of me figure out why this is important to a townie.

[petroleumjelly]

Are you implying scum would not kill a confirmed innocent (with your "help scum know who to nightkill")?

Do you have any reason to

not

hear what the confirmed innocent has to say when it costs nothing to do so?

[Off the Mark]

See, when I play mafia, I tend to do this strange thing of reading between the lines. The

tone

of a post is often just as informative as the

surface wording

of the post. Your

tone

adds to the accusatory nature of your post, which is what

I

was responding to.

That's your problem right there. You're assuming too much. Tone is misleading, especially in forums. If you're going to make a leap in interpretation like that, you should clarify. Or say, "If this is what you meant, then blah blah blah...."

[petroleumjelly]

But to more directly answer your question (instead of asking you a question in response), it could easily be the case that CPE will present reasoning which would not have otherwise been considered by a townsperson making a decision tomorrow; being able to look at the same interactions under different lights is only going to

help

make a decision tomorrow. There is no point in saying "well, he was town, and now he's dead, so there's no point in reading his posts" because at the very least you

know

that person is town and you

know

the thought-process is legit. In addition, CPE can choose to extend the day as he wishes; he may be able to incite more reactions to help obviate scum.

[petroleumjelly]

Then tell me the "tone" you were implying. Last I checked, you have been calling me scum with gorckat. How

else

should I be reading your post?

[Off the Mark]

Do you have any reason to

not

hear what the confirmed innocent has to say when it costs nothing to do so?

I think CPE has already made his feelings clear. I think you are using his innocent status as a convenient excuse to not vote Gorckat.

Also, I am not saying that you

should

vote without waiting to hear from cpe, I am just saying that I think you are using an excuse which doesn't make a whole lot of sense, for a townie.

[Pie_is_good]

Unvote: PJ, Vote: Gorckat

This isn't a whoopy-do-I'm scum hammer, this is an I-think-it's-best-to-just-end-the-day-now hammer. If neccessary, I'll discuss the logic more in-depth tomorrow.

Night.

[petroleumjelly]

Uh. I am having trouble processing that in the brain.

Enlighten me as to

why

I would be "using CPE's innocent status as a

convenient excuse

not to vote gorkcat" when I have already agreed that whoever CPE votes for ought to be lynched? What good does not voting him do me? What is even "convenient" about it?

[Pie_is_good]

Right now, I'll say this: From my perspective, I know with 100% certainty that Gorc is scum. Since I know PJ's scum, if Gorc were town, PJ would have hammered Gorc already.

It's like a party!

[petroleumjelly]

OH GOD DAMMIT.

So {Pie + OTM}. I freaking

hate

replacing. OTM is like my unlucky star.

[petroleumjelly]

*sigh*

So what made you guys kill Dasquain?

[Pie_is_good]

So what made you pretend the game is over when it totally isn't?