Open 19 - Nightless (Over?) before 430

[Elias_the_thief]

Is a quicklynch a little less suspicious in a game where there are no night kills?

I'd imagine so, if only because we're not guaranteed to start out down two if we misfire on Day 1.

question bolded.

Not going so far as to vote John yet until I get an answer to my semi-noob question.

[John]

I would say it's less supicious, but it doesn't help us. We get no night info whatsoever, so if we speedlynch a townie, we become at a slight disadvantage, with absoulutely no help.
There is a possiblity that the person will be scum, but I don't think it's worth the risk.

[IH]

Yes, it's very suspicious. We don't even have a real page and everyone is already jumping on john.

Vote blahgo
Fos IH and VitaminR

Seems like an attempt to start a bandwagon to me.
Vit for starts it
IH agrees to keep it moving
blahgo doesn't even give an explanation, thats why he gets the vote. We need more to go on before we lynch in a nightless

I'd imagine you should go read my former post.

Bandwagons are not intrinsically bad, but you need to watch who jumps on for no reason at all.

Like Blahgo.

FoS:Blahgo

Speedlynches are just as scummy, because they indicate rushing the town through a lynch, and that you want the game to be over as soon as possible.

Speedlynches are almost always bad.

[Drain Bead]

This is my first nightless game. Is a quicklynch a little less suspicious in a game where there are no night kills? I'd imagine so, if only because we're not guaranteed to start out down two if we misfire on Day 1.

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Not going so far as to vote John yet until I get an answer to my semi-noob question.

What question? You have 4 posts, none have a question.

Is a quicklynch a little less suspicious in a game where there are no night kills?

It's right up there--the sentence with the question mark at the end of it. Those look like this: ? and are usually indicative of the fact that a question precedes them.

[Simenon]

Vote Count

DrainBead- Romanus, Mustafa
John- VitaminR, IH, blahgo
Blahgo- Occult
Elias_the_theif- John

With twelve alive, it's seven to lynch.

[Simenon]

Vote Count

DrainBead- Romanus, Mustafa
John- VitaminR, IH, blahgo
Blahgo- Occult
Elias_the_theif- John

With twelve alive, it's seven to lynch.

[mustafa15]

I definetly don't like blahgo's vote on John, it says "newb scum" to me. As I said before, I don't really like lynching John at all, at least not due to that comment. I'll

unvote, vote:blahgo

simply because it's a better vote than my random one.

[Occult]

I'll solve this:

If you are scum *Cough

john

Cough* please say I.

Blahgo's reason for voting john would also be nice.

[Occult]

I'd also like to hear from SPAG who hasn't posted since confirming.

[mustafa15]

I

Oh wait. Oops .

[Occult]

I

Oh wait. Oops .

Ha, it never fails.

[Simenon]

Prodding SPAG

[Occult]

By the way john, this is the secound game where I've seen you draw attention to yourself with a pre-game comment.
You might want to be a little more careful with those.

[VitaminR]

Unvote: John,
Vote: mustafa15

Occult, bandwagons are just a way to make people come out of the woodwork. I don't see how you can FOS me for starting one. It was pretty valuable as I see it.

I also don't like how you're almost assuming John to be town.

Reasons for my vote:
1) His first post:

Random vote: Drain Bead

I think John was just making sure that he understood the basic concept of the game. I agree that it makes him slightly more suspicious than everyone else, but it doesn't warrant a bandwagon quite yet.

This was when the bandwagon had just started. I feel you're being overly non-committal by still random voting here. There was enough to comment on.

2) Jumping on blahgo, which I think is too easy.

3) Admitting to being scum.

[VitaminR]

Oh, and a quicklynch is less suspicious in Nightless because the lynch is the only place we can get information, but it's also more important to avoid if possible because of exactly of that. Quicklynching minimises the amount of interaction we can study later.

It's important to make a distinction between quicklynching and a quick bandwagon, though.

[Occult]

I'm not assuming John is town, but I do see his reasoning for his question.

I saw it as a quick bandwagon as it looked like th lynch was going to come in under 4 pgs.

And until blahgo addresses why he didn't give any reasoning my vote stands.

[Elias_the_thief]

I will be out of town and unable to post again until Saturday.

[mustafa15]

Unvote: John,
Vote: mustafa15

Reasons for my vote:
1) His first post:

Random vote: Drain Bead

I think John was just making sure that he understood the basic concept of the game. I agree that it makes him slightly more suspicious than everyone else, but it doesn't warrant a bandwagon quite yet.

This was when the bandwagon had just started. I feel you're being overly non-committal by still random voting here. There was enough to comment on.

2) Jumping on blahgo, which I think is too easy.

3) Admitting to being scum.

1. How am I being non-committal? I clearly stated my thoughts on the potential lynch of John.

2. How was my vote on blahgo more suspicious than anyone elses vote/fos? You're pretty much voting me because I was the last one to say I found blahgo suspicious? And keep in mind that there are now 2 votes on blahgo. It's not like I put him at lynch-1, or 2, or 3. He's at lynch-5 now, not the most dangerous place to be.

3. I'm going to assume this isn't serious.

[VitaminR]

1. How am I being non-committal? I clearly stated my thoughts on the potential lynch of John.

I didn't mean in terms of the John wagon. I mean in terms of the people you do find suspicious. A random vote serves no more purpose if discussion has already been created. It is then just a way of avoiding the discussion.

2. How was my vote on blahgo more suspicious than anyone elses vote/fos? You're pretty much voting me because I was the last one to say I found blahgo suspicious? And keep in mind that there are now 2 votes on blahgo. It's not like I put him at lynch-1, or 2, or 3. He's at lynch-5 now, not the most dangerous place to be.

It wasn't any more suspicious. Did I say so?

3. I'm going to assume this isn't serious.

It's serious. A townie has no advantage in jokily claiming scum. Scum, however, can think they'll look pro-town with the WIFOMy nature of it.

[IH]

Those of you who were talking about the John mini wagon of like... what, Two, maybe three votes?

Quit using the slippery slope

I think I'm going to

unvote, vote:Occult

at the moment.

Not for Blahgo at the moment, but just for mischaracterizing that as a lynching wagon.

[Elias_the_thief]

3. I'm going to assume this isn't serious.

It's serious. A townie has no advantage in jokily claiming scum. Scum, however, can think they'll look pro-town with the WIFOMy nature of it.

um, what about a townie joking for the purpose of humor? youre argument is dumb.

[Simenon]

People will be prodded massively.

Expect pms.

[Simenon]

Vote Count
DrainBead- Romanus
John- blahgo
Blahgo- Occult, mustafa15
Elias_the_theif- John
Mustafa15- VitaminR
Occult- IH

[Drain Bead]

Oof. Five pages lost, and at this point I can't even remember where my vote was.

[blahgo]

Mod: I need a replacement. I'd prefer not to say why thought