Role Claiming

[Streeflo]

For which general roles (cop, doctor, mason, tracker, townie) is it generally a good idea to role claim and if so when?

[Kelly Chen]

Any of those except townie would be good to claim if the town is about to lynch you. Townie is not a very effective claim.

Roles also might claim when they possess useful information affecting who should or should not be lynched. Even a doctor could fit here, since they could have good reason to believe a certain player is innocent. Mason doesn't really fit here, since ideally your partner (if he's about to be lynched) should be the one claiming, and would not necessarily be expected to reveal his partner.

None of those roles want to claim out of the blue for no reason. That just gives scum free information.

That's a quick answer...

[Yosarian2]

And it's often (but not always) a good idea to "counter-claim" if someone else makes a claim that seems to contradict what you know to be true. For example, someone else claims to be a mason, and you're a mason and they're not in your group; now, there COULD be two different mason groups in a game in theory, but I've never seen that actually done, so the other person is probably lying scum.

[Blackberry]

NEVER Role-Claim

, it's stupid and turns the game into "whose the best bull-shitter" instead of "who is the culprit... dun dun dunnn"

[Adele]

someone else claims to be a mason, and you're a mason and they're not in your group; now, there COULD be two different mason groups in a game in theory, but I've never seen that actually done

Gossip Mafia on GL


mini.
As in, 13 players
2 groups of 2 masons each.

Yeah. The town won, surprisingly

[IH]

= | Stupid cop/doc combo

[Kelly Chen]

NEVER Role-Claim

, it's stupid and turns the game into "whose the best bull-shitter" instead of "who is the culprit... dun dun dunnn"

What if you're an info role? Still never claim?

[spectrumvoid]

BB: I know why you're saying the never claim thing (an on-going game), but consider other games you've played?

[EmpTyger]

For which general roles (cop, doctor, mason, tracker, townie) is it generally a good idea to role claim and if so when?

Claimiong should be done when it will do the most good. Since this is situational, there really isn't a good general rule. You have to evaluation each situation.

But an extreme case: if you're in a situation where you're 1 or 2 from lynch and half the town wants to lynch you and a few of those not voting you are threatening to put the finishing votes on you unless you claim- well, then you should probably claim, since there's very little to lose.

NEVER Role-Claim

, it's stupid and turns the game into "whose the best bull-shitter" instead of "who is the culprit... dun dun dunnn"

Respect the mod. The mod has included roles in the game. The mod has balanced the game assuming they are to be used. Use them.


LOST Mafia had *3* mason pairs for a large themed setup, although alignment wasn't guaranteed (in fact, strongly suggested otherwise), and it was supported by flavor. No one took the counterclaiming bait.

[IH]

If you would notice all the games that have been mentioned with extra mason pairs are on GL.

[Thesp]

For example, someone else claims to be a mason, and you're a mason and they're not in your group; now, there COULD be two different mason groups in a game in theory, but I've never seen that actually done, so the other person is probably lying scum.

I ran a large game with 2 mason groups in a mafia game on Misetings I ran. I was counterbalanced by the fact that both 2-person mason groups had a "head", so that if the head was killed, the other mason partner would be, too. (It gave incentive to keep hidden as a mason group.) Also fun in that game: no doctor.

The mafia won, largely because the town didn't pay attention, and had a cop who claimed D1, then claimed he wasn't cop, then did nothing meaningful for the rest of the game.

[Blackberry]

Claiming when you have an INFO role COMPLETELY RUINS THE GAME. If you have an info role you're supposed to LEAD the town into lynching the scum, not blantly saying "THIS PERSON IS SCUM CUZ I HAVE FACTS"... it makes the game 3432423423 times more boring!

[Kelly Chen]

If it's true that that ruins the game then setup designers need to make sure it isn't the optimal play.

If the mod's setup design skills are poor enough that he hands you an unnightkillable cop role than I guess you may as well claim it... Otherwise you're voluntarily handicapping yourself.

[Yosarian2]

Claiming when you have an INFO role COMPLETELY RUINS THE GAME. If you have an info role you're supposed to LEAD the town into lynching the scum, not blantly saying "THIS PERSON IS SCUM CUZ I HAVE FACTS"... it makes the game 3432423423 times more boring!

Well, it is more fun to lead subtly, which is why I like cop but no doc type games. However, if you're a cop, there are times the correct stratigic move to do is to claim and claim your information, and if you don't do so, you're just hurting the town.

[Dr. Blackstrike]

I don't see any reason not to claim roles if need be. Under the right circimstances, it can be very fun.

[TBuG]

If you would notice all the games that have been mentioned with extra mason pairs are on GL.

No, LOST Mafia was here.