Mini 424 - Game Over

[Elias_the_thief]

wow this game is really slow.

unvote, vote:OMG

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pressure wagon time.

[MeMe]

The Shadow 1) was already at three votes and 2) is the only one yet to post, which makes him, in my view, the best place for a vote when considering your apparent desire to see more posting and to put pressure on one player.

I mean, it looks like you've created a

competing

rather than pressure wagon -- certainly fine, but it's not what you said you wanted.

[Elias_the_thief]

er, i didnt realize that shadow was at three. the vote count hadnt been updated. so i didnt see any difference between a vote for shadow or OMG.

[Elias_the_thief]

EBWOP: I'm in newbie 330 with shadow and he said he would be out thursday til saturday. so a vote on him doesnt seem necessary.

[Javert]

Elias, at the time you made your initial random vote, The Shadow was at two votes. The post immediately after yours included a vote on The Shadow, putting him at three votes.

In the very next post

, you changed your vote onto omg_im_innocent_wtf, thereby putting him at three votes as well - in other words, creating a counter-wagon.

Are you claiming that you did not see the vote on The Shadow, even though it was

directly between

both of your votes? Regardless of whether the vote count was updated, adding {2 + 1} should not be a problem for you.

[Elias_the_thief]

its not a matter of addition, its a matter of me thinking that the one in betweem my votes was the second vote.

[kilmenator]

Elias-I find it hard to believe that you would not have been able to count that it was three votes on him being that it was right after it, and the fact you acknowledged three was a wagon, yet failed to realize that it was three on theshadow, not really anything serious, but I find it doubtful you missed something that obvious.

[Elias_the_thief]

Elias-I find it hard to believe that you would not have been able to count that it was three votes on him being that it was right after it, and the fact you acknowledged three was a wagon, yet failed to realize that it was three on theshadow, not really anything serious, but I find it doubtful you missed something that obvious.

its fairly simple actually. i saw the post before mine, in which nocmen voted for shadow. i looked at the votecount, saw it said 2 votes for both OMG and shadow. since i knew that shadow was away until after today, because we're both in newbie game 330, i figured more would be accomplished by applying pressure to OMG, who as far as i know, is still active.

Elias-I find it hard to believe that you would not have been able to count that it was three votes on him

good job ignoring where i just said a couple posts ago that I was going by the votecount.

[kilmenator]

er, i didnt realize that shadow was at three. the vote count hadnt been updated. so i didnt see any difference between a vote for shadow or OMG.

I did not ignore what you had said, I just found it hard to beleive that you missed another vote added to shadow to make it three when it was right after the vote count. Also, you changed your reason of why you voted OMG instead of shadow, first you said it was because you did not realize he was the wagon and then you said it was because he was away. Which reason was it?

[omg_im_innocent_wtf]

unvote, vote kilmenator

obv

[Elias_the_thief]

actually, if you had read instead of scimmed, kilmenator, you would see that i stated both reasons originally in subsequent posts, and that i meant to say it in the same post, which is what EBWOP means (edit by way of post). since i thought they were both at two, i thought that it didnt matter countwise who i voted for, therefore i voted for OMG based on the second reason, that shadow said he would be back sometime today.

[LyingBrian]

• Vote Count:
  • 3) omg_im_innocent_wtf
    • Ancalagon
    • Elias_the_thief
    • shadowdeath
  • 3) The Shadow
    • Javert
    • kilmenator
    • Nocmen
  • 1) Elias_the_thief
    • ac1983fan
  • 1) kilmenator
    • omg_im_innocent_wtf
  • 1) shadowdeath
    • MeMe
  • 2)
    not voting
    • Barromán
    • The Shadow
• Lynch:
  6 votes

[kilmenator]

unvote, vote kilmenator

obv

because I find Elias's vote shady? Interesting...

actually, if you had read instead of scimmed, kilmenator, you would see that i stated both reasons originally in subsequent posts, and that i meant to say it in the same post, which is what EBWOP means (edit by way of post). since i thought they were both at two, i thought that it didnt matter countwise who i voted for, therefore i voted for OMG based on the second reason, that shadow said he would be back sometime today.

actually, no, I did not miss that part, to me it seems like an afterthought, like, "oh wait... that was a stupid reason for a vote, crap, what can I say now.... ummm.... he is gone, yeah, he IS gone, so that will work... Not anything to be overly anxious about, I havent even moved my vote to you yet, I just found it interesting the way things played out. And your vote generated discussion which is very good for the town, the only people who are scared of discussion are generally non-pro-town players.

[Ancalagon]

Elias, why did you switch your vote?

[Elias_the_thief]

why did i switch from my original random vote? because it was random so there was no reason to keep it, and because putting a vote on someone else would start conversation.

[Ancalagon]

Unvote: omg

Vote: Elias

Die, scum.

[The Shadow]

Checking in. Been out of town for the weekend. Since we've been in business a couple of days, I won't bother random voting. I'll post something tomorrow night, I reckon, when I'm less tired.

[Barromán]

I'm back!!!

Well, I have read all... and I think that the usefull reason of the randomvotes is that... they are random!!!!

So... if we do a Random vote but we don't vote those who have more votes... it's a bad thing!

So... because I have no more reasons to vote anyone... And that reason seems to me the best reason to "test" a player...

Vote: Elias

[Elias_the_thief]

Unvote: omg

Vote: Elias

Die, scum.

um... why am I scum?

[Ancalagon]

why did i switch from my original random vote? because it was random so there was no reason to keep it, and because putting a vote on someone else would start conversation.

Because that's about the most scummy thing I've seen in my entire life.

[Elias_the_thief]

you believe attempting to start conversation in a game where there is none is scummy?

[kilmenator]

Elias you did defeintely start conversation, but just because you did that does not mean your actions were not scummy.

[Elias_the_thief]

ok. youre entitled to your opinion. but joining a bandwagon to start conversation is fairly common practice in order. it really starts the game up.
but moving on, i find it odd that you (ancalogon) would vote me. you totally ignored OMG's vote, for reasons unknown to me, and his vote has no warrant at all while mine at least had a purpose. to me this means one of three things:
1) you scimmed and didnt see it
2) youre scum and you wanted to blend in by jumping on the person who's being questioned already, or
3) you're scum with OMG and didnt want to draw attention to him.

any of the three are possible. I just want to know why you dont even comment on OMG's vote hopping, yet jump on mine as "the scummiest thing you've seen in your entire life"

[Ancalagon]

I didn't say that omg wasn't suspicious, and I'd like to hear his reasoning for his switch.

However, most people who claim "trying to start a conversation" end up mafia.
You said it was so random it there was no reason to keep it, so you bandwagoned someone else? I don't understand that. The purpose of a random vote is to make it random.

[Elias_the_thief]

exactly. but if everyone just stuck on there random votes, would anything happen?

now, my first vote was my random vote. but when i saw that nothing was happening in this game, I switched it in order to get the game going again. If no one switches there vote, then no scum get lynched. if my vote is random, and I dont find who im voting for suspicious, whats wrong with attempting to start conversation by joining a bandwagon, as long as I dont have serious intent to lynch?
I'll admit that sometimes scum could do this too (though its definately not true that most of the time scum do it), but it certainly is not a scummy play.

and for someone who claims this is the scummiest thing they've ever seen, you really havent been showing much reason for it being scummy at all.

and finally, its true that you never said OMG wasnt suspicious, but you thats only because you never mentioned him at all. you completely skipped his vote jump which had no explanation, and targetted me instead, even though I explained myself. you never addressed my question as to why you would jump on me but ignore OMG. so far you've enforced my opinion that it was either option 2 or 3 that led you to attack me.

to me this means one of three things:
1) you scimmed and didnt see it
2) youre scum and you wanted to blend in by jumping on the person who's being questioned already, or
3) you're scum with OMG and didnt want to draw attention to him.

therefore,

fos: Ancalagon

, though this may turn to a vote later on. for now i'll keep my vote on OMG.