Open 18 - Game Over - before 424

[PJ.]

Yes, John and I are actually sitting next to each other right now. He is playing Pokemon on a red gameboy sp.

[John]

I understand scruffs. i have bben trying to think of panzer as a player, and not a friend. thought this post doesn't help ><

I cant win.

[LyingBrian]

Vote Count:

• [3] John
  • IH
    
  • Ripley
    
  • spectrumvoid
• [3] Panzerjager
  • John
    
  • mustafa15
    
  • The Central Scrutinizer
• [1] mustafa15
  • Panzerjager
• [1] spectrumvoid
  • Simenon
• [1] The Central Scrutinizer
  • bird1111
• [0] NOT VOTING

Lynch:

5 votes

Deadline:

WED 05/02/07 01:00 AM EST

[Skruffs]

might as well use what we can get.
John, knowing panzer as you do - is he acting like scum? is this what he is like when he's being tricksy?

[IH]

= | I will move to Panzer if John does not reach lynch minus 1 in the next 3 days

[PJ.]

Unvote: Vote: John

Self preservation so i can be involved in the real game, which will occur after all this crap is behind it.

[Simenon]

I'm here.

Unvote

. My vote is useless right now with the deadline.

Vote Panzer

. Voting for self preservation isn't helpful, especially after IH's comment.

Also, post in unluckyville.

[Skruffs]

Deadline is still four or five days away. No reason to go all cold war on us.

[LyingBrian]

@Simenon
neither your unvote nor your vote will be counted as they do not contain a colon... yes, unfortunately, i am going to be that picky...

[Simenon]

Unvote:

,

Vo:te Panzer

:p

[mustafa15]

Unvote: Vote: John

Self preservation so i can be involved in the real game, which will occur after all this crap is behind it.

This is a horribly scummy vote.

[John]

might as well use what we can get.
John, knowing panzer as you do - is he acting like scum? is this what he is like when he's being tricksy?

panzer is not acting any differently than in RL, and that means nothing in my opinion.

[Skruffs]

Okie dokie! THank you.

[IH]

Ok, let me rephrase my deadline ultimatum, I will hammer on Tuesday. I think we'd have alot more information from a John lynch though, as scummy as he has been, his last post or two sounds more newb town....

I'm not exactly sure at the moment, but the deadline lynch should be one of John or Panzer, and I will hammer on Tuesday.

[PJ.]

Wait why do I get lynched if nothing happens?

[LyingBrian]

Vote Count:

• [4] John
  • IH
    
  • Panzerjager
    
  • Ripley
    
  • spectrumvoid
• [3] Panzerjager
  • John
    
  • mustafa15
    
  • The Central Scrutinizer
• [1] The Central Scrutinizer
  • Skruffs
• [1] NOT VOTING
  • Simenon

Lynch:

5 votes

Deadline:

WED 05/02/07 01:00 AM EST

[Skruffs]

HEy IH, nto that you are scummy or anything, but, would you hammer tuesday if you were at -1?

Unvote

Vote : ...

John if you want to claim, you probably should now, but I'm not going to ask for it. Just giving you a chance to have a final words post.

[John]

Where is Ripley? The last thing he said was how panzer made me look scummy, yet not unvote...
What posts are scummy by me, IH?
Why would both Skruffs and IH hammer me? Especialy skruffs. he never had ANY suspicion of me till now, and now he wants to hammer me?
How can you hammer IH, you have a vote on me. why do you want me dead so bad?
Im a townie. yay, real helpful.

Panzer vote just to keep himself alive, which is way scummy, yet im on the chopping block.

[Skruffs]

I just replaced in, and I hate the idea of IH getting a hammer.
I hate the idea of hammering a townie, though. It happens to me a lot, day one, and I sympathize.
Panzer, you still going to vote townie-John?

[Ripley]

Where is Ripley? The last thing he said was how panzer made me look scummy, yet not unvote...

I said it was a

possibility

. Total amount of support for this idea from the other players: zero.

However, for the moment:

Unvote: John

. It seems there's a straight contest between John and Panzer here, and I haven't reevaluated my original vote on John for a while. I want to reread the game before deciding what to do. I'll try and do this later tonight but it may end up being tomorrow.

Simenon is presumably just messing around with colons and intends to vote Panzer in the approved format. Is this right?

[PJ.]

How do we know he is townie?

[Ripley]

Why exactly was it scummy of Panzer to vote John? They're clearly the only two lynch candidates. barring some late dramatic surge of scumminess by an outsider. If Panzer is town, what's he supposed to do? What's wrong with self-preservation in that scenario? He would

know

if we lynched him we'd be losing a town player, so surely it would be right to try and get someone else lynched instead.

Ok, let me rephrase my deadline ultimatum, I will hammer on Tuesday. I think we'd have alot more information from a John lynch though, as scummy as he has been, his last post or two sounds more newb town....

Does this mean you think Panzer is the scummier of the two right now? I'm not sure I agree we'd get a

lot

more info from a John lynch. Panzer's been under the spotlight too. By my records 4 different people have voted Panzer and 4 have voted John, and Panzer has actually voted more people than John has. So using that as a rough yardstick there's not much in it. Certainly not enough for me to do anything other than lynch the scummier-looking one.

Skruffs, I was hoping for some startling new insights from you. Well, "startling" is optional, any new insights would do. Do you think John is scummier than Panzer? Are you considering both of them as potential lynchees?

[Skruffs]

I replaced into four games at once, insights will come later.
I don't like how Panzer voted john out of self defense, and then asked (as if in afterthought) well, how do we KNOW he's not scum?
I have no idea what the hell ANYONE is at this point.

Also, I hate it when people ask me for insights, because when I post insights, I invariably find them disagreeable to the town's collective logical reasoning. Give me stuff to work with, I can form a good conclusion, but ask me to speculate? Nobody's going to like that.

[Ripley]

I replaced into four games at once, insights will come later.

We have a deadline coming up...

I don't like how Panzer voted john out of self defense, and then asked (as if in afterthought) well, how do we KNOW he's not scum?

If you mean this:

How do we know he is townie?

this is surely in response to you referring to John as a townie in post 195. It's not like Panzer's just plucked it out of thin air. My own reading was that you basically meant "claimed townie", but the claim was easily missable, it's buried in John's post.

Also, I hate it when people ask me for insights, because when I post insights, I invariably find them disagreeable to the town's collective logical reasoning. Give me stuff to work with, I can form a good conclusion, but ask me to speculate? Nobody's going to like that.

This whole paragraph just sounds like a massive evasion. You're saying you don't like to offer original opinions, because towns find this disagreeable? That you only want to offer opinions on other people's observations? You think this town actually has a "collective logical reasoning"?

[IH]

Does this mean you think Panzer is the scummier of the two right now? I'm not sure I agree we'd get a lot more info from a John lynch. Panzer's been under the spotlight too. By my records 4 different people have voted Panzer and 4 have voted John, and Panzer has actually voted more people than John has. So using that as a rough yardstick there's not much in it. Certainly not enough for me to do anything other than lynch the scummier-looking one.

No, but they should both be at minus 1, and I obviously can't hammer John if I'm already on him, but the mod is not counting Simenon's vote.
So, meh, it really doesn't matter. You do know deadline is on Wednesday, correct?