Mini #406, Animaniacs! Water Tower Explosion! [Over]


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Post Post #775 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:28 pm

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Day One

Lynch Sailor Jerry, Wakko, Mafia


Night One

Fuldu, Yakko, Mafia Cop investigates [Fritzler]
Hurrikaty, Dot, Mafia kills [Thesp]


Fritzler, Hello Nurse, Investigates [Thesp]
Foolster41, Mr. Skullhead, targets [Nobody] with good idea, and [Nobody] with bad idea
BeHappyNewYear, Buttons, targets [Thesp] as martyr
Blake Judge, Chicken Boo, watches [Foolster41]
Thesp, Katie Ka-Boom, [fulfills] restriction [Post 102]: can be targeted


Night One Results

BeHappyNewYear, Buttons, Martyr, torso crushed Night One
Blake Judge receives no result
Fritzler investigates Thesp; learns that Thesp is non-male
Fuldu investigates Fritzler; learns that Fritzler is human

Day Two

Lynch HurriKaty, Dot, Mafia


Night Two

Fuldu, Yakko, Mafia Cop investigates [Foolster41]
Fuldu, Yakko, Mafia Cop kills [Skruffs]


Fritzler, Hello Nurse, Investigates [Skruffs]
Foolster41, Mr. Skullhead, targets [Thesp] with good idea, and [Skruffs] with bad idea
Blake Judge, Chicken Boo, watches [nobody]
Thesp, Katie Ka-Boom, [fulfills] restriction [Post 111]: can be targeted


Night Two Results

Skruffs, Rita, Townie, bludgeoned Night Two
Blake Judge receives [No Result]
Fritzler investigates [Skruffs]; learns that Skruffs is not male
Fuldu investigates [Foolster41]; learns that Foolster41 is not human

Day Three

Lynch Nobody, Jelly's Imaginary Friend :(


Night Three

Fuldu, Yakko, Mafia Cop investigates [Sweenytodd]
Fuldu, Yakko, Mafia Cop kills [NabakovNabakov]


Fritzler, Hello Nurse, Investigates [Nobody]
NabakovNabakov, Chicken Boo, watches [Sweenytodd]
Thesp, Katie Ka-Boom, [fulfills] restriction [Post 420]: can be targeted


Night Three Results

NabakovNabakov, Chicken Boo, Partial Watcher bludgeoned Night Three
Fritzler gets [No Result]
Fuldu investigates [Sweenytodd]; learns that Sweenytodd is human

Day Four

Lynch Foolster41, Mr. Skullhead, 2-Shot Inventor


Night Four

Fuldu, Yakko, Mafia Cop investigates [VitaminR]
Fuldu, Yakko, Mafia Cop kills [Thesp]


Fritzler, Hello Nurse, Investigates [JDodge]
Thesp, Katie Ka-Boom, [fails] restriction: only scum nightkill succeeds


Night Four Results

Thesp, Katie Ka-Boom, Post-Restricted Townie, bludgeoned Night Four
Fritzler gets [No Result]
Fuldu gets [No Result]

Day Five

Lynch Fuldu, Yakko, Mafia Cop
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Post Post #776 (ISO) » Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:48 pm

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Very Important Note(s)


I may edit in more notes as they occur to me, but one thing in particular definitely needs to be addressed:


1.)
Townies were in no way, shape, or form meant to "confirm" each other. Here is the process I went through to determine both the townie role-names and the scum safe-claims:

Female
  • 1.) Rita
  • 2.) Minerva Mink
  • 3.) Ms. Flamiel
  • 4.) Mindy
  • 5.) Slappy Squirrel
  • 6.) Marita
Two names were randomly chosen for the Mafia - the one which I believed was a more common character was chosen as a safe-claim. Two names were then randomly chosen for the Town - the one which I believed was the more common character was made into a Townie.

Male
  • 1.) Pinky
  • 2.) Brain
  • 3.) Pesto
  • 4.) Bobby
  • 5.) Squit
  • 6.) Snowball (the Hamster)
  • 7.) Walter Wolf
  • 8.) Runt
  • 9.) Flavio
  • 10.) Ralph
  • 11.) Dr. Otto Scratchansniff
  • 12.) Thaddeus Plotz
  • 13.) Skippy Squirrel
Four names were then randomly chosen for the Mafia - the two which I believed were most common were then chosen to be safe-claims. Three pairs of [two names] were then randomly chosen for the Town - the three which I believed were most common for each pairing of [two names] were then made into Townies.

Although it
happened
to work out that Pinky and the Brain were both Townies, it was
more
than possible (and in fact, very probable) that similar things could have
easily
happened with a town role "confirming" a scum fake-claim in much the same manner. I would
highly
advise against making these sorts of assumptions about my set-ups in the future.

2.)
I decided that I did not want a strict Cop who received guilty and innocent investigations, so I decided to instead give the town a gender Cop, which would become more useful the longer she lived into the game. I naturally kept the ratio 3:1 for "male" v "non-male", and I purposely included Mr. Skullhead to have some investigatory snags, as well as a largely unconfirmable role. I do not think the role is more powerful than a regular Cop – getting a "male" investigation does not indicate you've found a scum; nor does getting a "non-male" investigation indicate you've found a scum. In order to make use of this information, town had to play smart.

To counteract that power, I gave the Mafia a complementary role, a "Human" Cop. Fuldu may have been able to come up with better flavor had he gotten different safe-claims, such as Dr. Scratchansniff, Brain, or possibly Runt. Them's the breaks, though.

3.)
The role I was most worried about was Chicken Boo, the Watcher – although it was statistically unlikely to actually "catch" scum, it could be a very powerful role. As such, the scum had
two
ways to get
very
misleading (but true) results:

-> a.) If Chicken Boo watches the Buttons the Martyr (for example), and the Mafia target the same person for a nightkill that Buttons protects, Chicken Boo
would not
see the Mafia killing Buttons because they did not
target
Buttons.
-> b.) The Mafia
did
have the Cop ability – they could have sent both Yakko and another sibling at their nightkill – causing Chicken Boo to see two people targeting the person who died (possibly more if townspeople also targeted that person). In this manner, Yakko could bus his sibling, and add
a lot
of credibility to the claim that he has a town nightchoice (the Cop claim being most obvious, but of course he could have claimed anything he liked).

Also, note that every night the scum try to kill Chicken Boo, he cannot possibly get a result (since he cannot watch himself, and if Buttons protects him he will not see Buttons being killed).

4.)
There were a couple random factors in the game (besides townies and fake-claims), and those were Mr. Skullhead and Katie Ka-Boom. Mr. Skullhead was meant to be rather a mystery as to how he would investigate to both of the game's Cops, and Katie Ka-Boom held most of the nightchoice's in her unstable fingers. I do wonder if I should have instead had her
literally
explode, but I think this result fairer.

Also, I really had no choice but to also block the result of the Mafia Cop should Katie fail her restriction – or else the Mafia could claim a result and look bad on the basis that neither the Hello Cop nor Chicken Boo received any result, and I did not want to help the town find scum for a townie failing their post restriction. This was also another method in which scum could bolster their claim and
appear
to be role-blocked when they are not, therefore making it seem like they are less likely to be scum.

5.)
In short, I had all sorts of factors to make townspeople look suspect, to put townspeople on the wrong track, and to help bolster scum-claims. I think the game was balanced very delicately – of course by Day Three it seemed mightily in the favor of the town, but that is largely on account of the fact that the town had
lynched two scum in a row
. It only stands to reason that the scum are going to have a tough time pulling themselves from that situation, but it was by no means impossible.

6.)
Parting advice:

Wheel of Morality, turn turn turn…
Tell us the lesson that we should learn:


*DING*!

Wheel of Morality wrote:
Never ask what hot dogs are made of.
Truly a visionary of our time.
Last edited by petroleumjelly on Fri Sep 07, 2007 12:00 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Post Post #777 (ISO) » Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:38 am

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petroleumjelly wrote:
  • Receives "Human" for {Hello Nurse, Dr. Otto Scratchansniff, and Katie Ka-Boom}.
  • Receives "Non-Human" for {Wakko, Dot, Mr. Skullhead, Buttons, Chicken Boo, Brain, Rita, and Pinky}.[/color]
Im disappointed he didn't get human for chicken.
Surfs up dude.
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Post Post #778 (ISO) » Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:27 pm

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Way to go town! Good game.
Very well desiged game PJ.

I'm not sure what the "discrepancy" was in my claim, as VitR kept saying.
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