Scummies 2007 Nominations Closed!

Adel · Post Post #800 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:46 pm

Elias_the_thief wrote:
pete d wrote:
back on topic:
Nominate Korlash for funniest player
eh...

His avatar makes me chuckle every time I see it.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #801 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:11 pm

Yeah let's face it, we both played that game terribly. I second the korlash nomination.

Claus · Post Post #802 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:22 pm

Albert B. Rampage wrote:I second the korlash nomination.

Thirded.

Adel · Post Post #803 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:54 pm

Albert B. Rampage wrote:Yeah let's face it, we both played that game terribly.

You are such a sweetheart!

Hjallti · Post Post #804 (ISO) » Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:30 pm

I wanted to nominate Albert B. Rampage for the oscar for the best neutral, but that oscar doesn't exist. In the eventually mod abandonded game mafia 67 (viewtopic.php?t=5709) he won as jester day 1. (How do you link without having the url on?)

Mr. Flay · Post Post #805 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:55 am

There's no Scummie for Best Neutral for a reason....

Glork · Post Post #806 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:59 am

Glork wrote:PS. By the way, the "Jester" role is not a valid in-game situation. Jesters are a complete abomination unto Mafia and should never, ever, ever be used. Ever.

ISO · Post Post #807 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:29 am

Glork wrote:
Glork wrote:PS. By the way, the "Jester" role is not a valid in-game situation. Jesters are a complete abomination unto Mafia and should never, ever, ever be used. Ever.

/disagree

Seol · Post Post #808 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:32 am

Thestatusquo wrote:
Glork wrote:
Glork wrote:PS. By the way, the "Jester" role is not a valid in-game situation. Jesters are a complete abomination unto Mafia and should never, ever, ever be used. Ever.
/disagree

I agree with Glork.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #809 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:55 am

I disagree with Seol. This is getting all mexican standoff-ish. Now, let's put the guns down...

Mr. Flay · Post Post #810 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:14 am

Aim: Albert B. Rampage

I agree with Glork, needless to say.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #811 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:15 am

Mr. Flay wrote:
Aim: Albert B. Rampage

For which scummy ?

Seol · Post Post #812 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:35 am

The problem with the Jester role is it subverts a major concept of Mafia which is essential to ensure that players can approach the game - namely, that there is a default behaviour and set of motivations that it is in the interests of all players to imitate (ie, town). All roles - whether they be town, Mafia, SK, or Cult (which is almost as offensive as Jester, but for different reasons) want to

look

town, and it is town's objective to discover those who are not town, based on their behaviour, and lynch them. Doing so is their

objective

in the game.

Jester totally wrecks that, and in doing so subverts the entire game.

Mr. Flay · Post Post #813 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:00 am

Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Mr. Flay wrote:
Aim: Albert B. Rampage
For which scummy ?

Albert B. Rampage wrote:This is getting all mexican standoff-ish.

...

ISO · Post Post #814 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:07 am

Albert, get off of my side immediately. All you're doing here is ruining my credibility.

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #815 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:14 am

I am not on your side. My stance is that Jesters should only be used in Open Games.

Seol · Post Post #816 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:37 am

The presence of a Jester being known does not undermine the points I made against Jesters.

Maz Medias · Post Post #817 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:12 am

Thestatusquo wrote:Albert, get off of my side immediately. All you're doing here is ruining my credibility.

I think somebody said that once.

Elias_the_thief · Post Post #818 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:51 am

Thestatusquo wrote:Albert, get off of my side immediately. All you're doing here is ruining my credibility.

crudibility? (dilbert reference anyone?)

Albert B. Rampage · Post Post #819 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:41 pm

Seol wrote:The presence of a Jester being known does not undermine the points I made against Jesters.

Nah. There are some nice setups in the open list you should check out.

Iammars · Post Post #820 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:33 pm

Elias_the_thief wrote:
Thestatusquo wrote:Albert, get off of my side immediately. All you're doing here is ruining my credibility.
crudibility? (dilbert reference anyone?)

No talking about ongoing games!

Even ones you aren't a part of!

Adel · Post Post #821 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:38 pm

I agree with ABR: there is a place for Jesters in select open games.

Kelly Chen · Post Post #822 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:07 pm

I think for a jester to be interesting, it needs to be open setup, and there should be something more difficult about the task than just "get lynched anytime anywhere." There should probably be a vig in the setup.

I agree that jesters undermine the ability to assume that everybody is trying to look town, and that this isn't a good thing. But perhaps the role can be made interesting enough to balance this.

Hjallti · Post Post #823 (ISO) » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:18 pm

Even if a jester is uncovered as being a jester he mostly gets lynched anyway to get him out of the way. This discussion helps me to understand this. Apending to the win condition of a jester not to be called jester during the game, or to the win condition of the rest not to have lynched the jester is probably not a good solution. In closed games telling everyone that there is a jester has the same problem as using a jester in an open game. As win condition getting lynched on day4 might be more interesting, but then you are so far of that it might be useless anyway.

Sorry to have started this discussion on a wrong place

Kelly Chen · Post Post #824 (ISO) » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:37 am

I am skeptical that an "uncovered" jester would be lynched just to get him out of the way... Unless there were a lot of scum on the wagon...