Mind backing that up with a quote for me, since I'm honestly not that sure on this?Patrick wrote:Raging Rabbit, I also didn't see a real drop in confidence, though for all I know it could have happened (unable to read Thok's mind at this time of day). At the top of page 10 he did make an allowance for the pair of you both being pro town and misunderstanding each other, but he had already said something of the kind earlier on.
Thok post 173 wrote:After all, it is possible we could be both be protown, and I could simply be misinterpretting your intentions. If you answer my questions and defend yourself well, I might be convinced to change my mind. But your default reaction to my attacks is to call my attacks weak and to start attacking me in return.
SV made a vote for Pinky, which was initially attacked, but which you later agreed was reasonable. I pointed out, fairly reasonably I think, that she had been hanging at 3 votes for a while based on little. I don't see how you've made a connection unless you are happy to connect any people that have defended each other at some point in the game, in which case you would have alot of possible scumgroups going around. Is there some point where you think I've unreasonably defended spectrumvoid or she has unreasonably defended me?Thok wrote:Part of my reason at looking at an SV/Patrick playstyle is that I've decided to go back to my initial suspicions for a moment; SV reactions to JB votes suggest a connection as do your reaction to SV votes.
Why were you blatantly diregarding my defence in the sentence that immediatly follows, then? Even if you don't like it, IT EXISTS. DEAL.Thok wrote:Actually, the first statement is an attempt to smack you with a fish so you might see possibilities other than the "Thok is scum attacking you violently" and to try to make you think if there might be protown reasons for my line of play.
Thok just changed his tone again, this used to really amuse you and make you think me similar to dear EmpTyger who you kept getting in fights with when you whereThok wrote:(especially since he's been recently bringing up things like "Thok's changed his tone" which is behavioral and not logical as he claimed)
While I'm not denaying that's a possibility, I may remind you that the strategy thread idea was originally Patrick's. Also, in the future, lets try to keep my thread and this game completely and in all ways separate, k?Thok wrote:Basically I've decided RR is a massively overzealous townie rather than OMGUSing scum, especially since he's decided to make a thread about his change in playstyle.
I'd really like you to further explain yourself on this please, since at the moment I'm afraid I'm not seeing your point.Thok wrote:@Patrick-I would think my recent votes would give an implicit answer to the question of what I think about your comments about Pinky. I'm willing to accept that is her normal playstyle enough to look at other possible scum groups.
Part of my reason at looking at an SV/Patrick playstyle is that I've decided to go back to my initial suspicions for a moment; SV reactions to JB votes suggest a connection as do your reaction to SV votes.
I was not disregarding your defense; I was asking you to repeat it/embellish it instead of OMGUS attacking me. Half of mafia is finding scum; the other half is convincing people that you are right. I was asking you to further convince me that I misinterpreted your intentions, since I wasn't convinced by what you had already written.Raging Rabbit wrote:Why were you blatantly diregarding my defence in the sentence that immediatly follows, then? Even if you don't like it, IT EXISTS. DEAL.Thok wrote:Actually, the first statement is an attempt to smack you with a fish so you might see possibilities other than the "Thok is scum attacking you violently" and to try to make you think if there might be protown reasons for my line of play.
So, you are changing your tone on Logic versus Behavior? I'm seriously tempted to ask you to go through your posts and ask you to do a self PBPA. Although I wonder if you have the ability to see the similarities between some of the things you are accusing me of, and some of the things you are actually doing. (If I'm bored, I might do this later, for fun.)Thok just changed his tone again, this used to really amuse you and make you think me similar to dear EmpTyger who you kept getting in fights with when you whereThok wrote:(especially since he's been recently bringing up things like "Thok's changed his tone" which is behavioral and not logical as he claimed)"both pro town".
Also, while Da Infallible RR currently believe in logic over behavior, that DOESN'T MEAN HE DISREGARDS BEHAVIOR ENTIRELY. He'd also like to politely request a full reply to Analysis-a-la-Thok again.
Hey, I'll use what info I want to use. If I decide to throw a kitchen sink at you, I will. You made that thread a relevant point of analysis in this game by making it and by mentioning the topic in thread. Unless you want me to ignore one of the arguments I'm using to think you are protown. Do you want me to keep attacking you?While I'm not denaying that's a possibility, I may remind you that the strategy thread idea was originally Patrick's. Also, in the future, lets try to keep my thread and this game completely and in all ways separate, k?Thok wrote:Basically I've decided RR is a massively overzealous townie rather than OMGUSing scum, especially since he's decided to make a thread about his change in playstyle.
I could see SV's vote on Pinky as a way to form a counterwagon to the JB wagon that was forming early in the game; that could be an attempt to try to save a hypothetical scum partner. Patrick returned the favor in response to my vote for SV.I'd really like you to further explain yourself on this please, since at the moment I'm afraid I'm not seeing your point.Thok wrote:@Patrick-I would think my recent votes would give an implicit answer to the question of what I think about your comments about Pinky. I'm willing to accept that is her normal playstyle enough to look at other possible scum groups.
Part of my reason at looking at an SV/Patrick playstyle is that I've decided to go back to my initial suspicions for a moment; SV reactions to JB votes suggest a connection as do your reaction to SV votes.
QFTPatrick wrote:There's no good reason not to extend it. Deadlines are for when a town isn't discussing, and needs galvanising into action. This is clearly not the case here. All the deadline will do here is to force us into a half baked lynch. There's no reason for it to exist at all.
I've probably been too hard on you throughout the site. I apologize for that. If you wish to complain about our fights in other threads, feel free to yell at me in a PM.Raging Rabbit wrote:Full reply to Thok coming later, for now I'll just say I'm extremely fed up with his pretenious attitude and that his attack on my playstyle is completely irrelevant to his own alignment. I also believe his cynical use of my strategy thread is flat out unethical.
This is the only part of that post that isn't just patronizing me, though there's no lack of that here as well.I was not disregarding your defense; I was asking you to repeat it/embellish it instead of OMGUS attacking me. Half of mafia is finding scum; the other half is convincing people that you are right. I was asking you to further convince me that I misinterpreted your intentions, since I wasn't convinced by what you had already written.
Here's two fun exercises for you.
1. Can you find a post of yours that is an immediate response to one of my posts where you don't FOS me, attack me, or claim I'm using bad logic? Can you find a post immediately following mine where you actually respond to what I'm saying? I don't mean just calling my words misrepresentations, but actually explaining why they are misrepresentation. (I'll give you the post where you put up all of Pinky's posts, although I don't think you've looked at those as closely as possible.)
2. List some people you think are scum if I'm protown.
You've basically gotten stuck on the "Thok is scum" mentality and haven't really considered anybody else (with the possible exception of MooHawk, but he's gone on your back burner compared to me).