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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:21 am

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Did a quick re-read, just a couple of things to note.

I've decided that Ibby's reasons for voting me seem contrived/forced. Call it a personal tell on Ibbsies. She's probably a dirty gorilla-face.
Unvote, Vote: Ibby


Sarcastro's last post still has me thinking he might be scum. Bird + Klebian both seem like quite convenient "suspicions."
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Save The Dragons wrote:Mmm I dunno if they're scum together. I'm just pretty sure that

inhim + bird > 0 scum.
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I don't like this post. It's not really "False Dilemma," but it feels almost that way. I still don't think that Bird is scum. inHim doesn't strike me as going either way right now.
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:24 am

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Bah, sorry for the triple-post. :oops:


...but dearest God of Mods, it would appear as though your most recent vote count has MrBuddyLee voting for both me and inHimshallibe. Is this a mistake or not?
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:57 am

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The whole "I'm pretty sure" makes the post a fancy way of saying, "i think at least one of bird and inhim are scum."

I've given reasons why both of them could be scum.
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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:09 am

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I know that you were saying "I think at least one of Bird/inHim are scum." I'm saying that I strongly disagree on one point, and that I'm not by any means sold on the other. And I'm saying that your post makes me vaguely think "False Dilemma." It's not a false dilemma in the strictest sense (at least one of them is scum, and X town implies Y scum)... but I just don't like the two lynches that you are pushing.
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:26 am

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Glork wrote:...but dearest God of Mods, it would appear as though your most recent vote count has MrBuddyLee voting for both me and inHimshallibe. Is this a mistake or not?
Fixed (last 2 vote counts).
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:51 am

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PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:what happened to that sweet MBL wagon?
i miss it...
Surfs up dude.
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:28 am

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Then I hope it's not the difference of opinion you find scummy.
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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:31 am

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I really can't place my finger on what it is exactly. Language + Targets + Timing.
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 10:33 am

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everyone hates the way I say things

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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 9:20 pm

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I think in this game scum are waiting while townies argues.
So let me pop in a
unvote, vote Pooky

because his recent post was his first (apart from any lost in the crash) and it was a strange way to say that he's here and has been following without commenting.
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:30 pm

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so what am i waiting for?

what advantages r to be gained from waiting?
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2006 6:51 am

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I just wanted to say that I'm still here so that I don't get replaced. I'm sorry for my absence, I've been really busy with school lately.
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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:55 am

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Did you guys wagon MBL to gain information or to kill him?
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:11 am

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I've already explained my stance... a little bit of both.


Good question, though. I'd also like to know why other people wagoned MBL.
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:21 am

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kill
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:25 am

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Vote Count


bird1111: 6 (Twito, STD, Sarcastro, CES, Fritzler, Nightson)
MrBuddyLee: 2 (klebian, inHimshallibe)
Phoebus: 2 (Bogre, )
Sarcastro: 1 (Phoebus)
Glork: 1 (ibeasha)
inHimshallibe: 1 (MBL)
ibaesha: 1 (Glork)
Pooky: 1 (dahen)

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Monday 27th November at 9am GMT
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2006 9:41 am

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Glork wrote:I've already explained my stance... a little bit of both.

Good question, though. I'd also like to know why other people wagoned MBL.
Yeah, you posted:
Glork wrote:HAMMAH HAMMAH!!!
after all I'd posted was:
MBL wrote:Hi.
It's easy to explain away as just joking around and having fun, but it was also significantly likely that I'd be hammered there and town would be -1. Far be it for me to rain on the fun parade though--I think we should run Glork up for kicks, but this wagon will have an actual reason behind it.

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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2006 10:51 am

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Significantly likely?

The only person I could have *really* actually imagined hammering you before somebody unvoted would have been Fritzler. But Fritz was already on your wagon, so that wasn't going to happen. Pooky, CES, Glork, Fritz -- the four people I consider to be the most likely to do something ridiculous just for kicks -- were all on the wagon at that point. There was little chance that you were *actually* going to die. Although I would have been quite amused had it happened.
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2006 11:24 am

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Yeah, you even said yourself there's a "cool factor" involved and it'd be a point of pride to someday hammer someone before page 3. Significantly likely, but thanks to a few timely unvotes temptation was removed and it didn't happen.
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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:02 pm

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Uh... your point? I didn't say that I plan on doing it someday until well after the fact. You've not shown that anything is "significantly likely." All you've shown is that I would have hammered you dead... which I already stated explicitly.
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:23 pm

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Actually, now that I look back at things, there's a serious misrepresentation that I can't let go unnoted.

Let's go back and look at what I said:
Glork wrote:Make no mistake about it, though. Had you been at Lynch -1 without me on the wagon, I would have hammered. I've never done something *that* ridiculous before. I think it'd be kinda fun to do it to someone. I think it'd be absolutely f***ing hilarious. And I will do it before I retire from Mafia games altogether.
What does this post say?
I (Glork) would have hammered you.
I (Glork) think that it would be fun/hilarious.


What did you say?
MrBuddyLee wrote:Yeah, you even said yourself there's a "cool factor" involved and it'd be a point of pride to someday hammer someone before page 3. Significantly likely, but thanks to a few timely unvotes temptation was removed and it didn't happen.
You take my opinion (I would hammer, think it's cool, blahblah) and try to present it as the standard or normal opinion/attitude. Because *I*, someone
already on your wagon
said I would have hammered, you say that it is "significantly likely" that
somebody else
would have hammered.

As I've said before: The people I consider most likely to hammer were all already on your wagon. If you can make a case that somebody
not already on your wagon
would have hammered you, then you can say it was "significantly likely" that you would have been hammered.
"Glork would hammer, since he thinks it's cool" does not mean "Somebody else would have hammered because they thought it was cool."


Strong FoS: MBL

Do you have a real reson for voting me? Or do you just plan on misrepresenting me and making up reasons to "suspect" me, hoping it'll stick somehow?
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:32 pm

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So you figured you'd gain enough information via the comedy quicklynch to make up for the numerical disadvantage? Sounds like a recipe for a quick loss to me, because idiot town's probably more likely to hammer in that situation than scum. Kill the hammerer tomorrow, BAM, down 4-5 town start of D3.
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:47 pm

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No, I don't think I'd gain a hell of a lot of info from the quicklynch (unless you turned out scum, I think).

But I think we'd find a ton of damned good information in the aftermath. If I don't get vigged or nightkilled that night, the D2 discussion would be... quite interesting. I know full well that if I really do something absurd, I'll have to defend and explain myself. I'm not stupid or naive, MBL, despite what you seem to think. I may be bold, irrational, even reckless at times.... but I am not a complete ignoramus. I realize that my actions have consequences, and I understand that there would be substantial pressure on me.

Lynching a townie D1 is obivously not going to ruin a game. Lynching D1 and getting little info puts us at a significant disadvantage, but I do think that the information gained from D2's discussion would be pretty immense and extremely heplful (not to mention the fact that the wagon itself on D1 likely *does* provide us with some clues/info down the road).
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:35 am

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Save The Dragons wrote:Did you guys wagon MBL to gain information or to kill him?
I wanted to see the lynch to completion. Information would be, and already has been for that matter, gained as a very nice side effect.
Glork wrote:Pooky, CES, Glork, Fritz -- the four people I consider to be the most likely to do something ridiculous just for kicks
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:43 am

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inHim... you're bold, but you're not completely irrational. (Consider that a compliment. ;)) I wouldn't have expected to see you hammer, but apparently feel the same way as me.
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