Okay, I reread cb0x's posts and the reactions to his posts about five times, and I dunno. He's striking me as townie, even though he was scummy with his logic for his votes and analyses on players. As has been mentioned, this is almost
eerily
reminescent of RandomActs in the original game (although cb0x at least has not threatened the town with being a power role).
Cb0x, have you read the original Kingmaker? I am interested to know.
Normally, I don't care for such WIFOM comments as:
cb0x wrote:Please just realize I'm just playing like an idiot. A scum probably wouldn't say something blatantly false, for whatever reasons.
But bah. I'm not so quick to dismiss such statements on that basis alone. The thing with WIFOM statements is that they are often founded in a grain of truth. Why
would
scum offer themselves to be lynched on Day One, even newbie scum so readily? In my experience, players usually don't give up so quickly unless they are town-aligned or self-aligned: being mafia aligned often gives players an incentive to not let their team down. His actions, as scum, are just not making sense mentally. I am definitely getting a "townie giving-up" vibe at the moment.
cb0x wrote:fine. lynch me. if, after you lynch me, i'm a townie, just please, like, examine mrbuddylee. he's kind of obnoxious. if town wins, i'll count it as a win for me even if i'm lynched in the first round.
I've seen a few townie melt-downs and a few scum melt-downs like this in my day, but the self-righteousness (not the exact feeling I mean, but that's the closest word I can think of) jives with me.
Unvote: Cardb0ardb0x
for now, and
Unvote: Vaughn
, I might have been reading your opening post too literally. Cb0x, please continue to give your suspicions and keep voting throughout the game. If you are suspicious of somebody, I want to know who, why, and I would like to be able to look over your votes later in the game so I can determine what you were thinking as the game progressed.
*****
MoS, although I suppose I am forced to respect your right not to vote, you need to realize that (however subconscious it is) I tend to listen to arguments and cases against players more when the player making the case actually
votes
. Votes tend to signify a certain confidence. If you make a case and don't vote, the feeling I come away with is "well, that's a fair case, but apparently not strong enough to base a vote on", and it implicitly makes me think the argument is weaker, since the person making the argument must not fully believe what they're saying. Votes create action, action creates discussion, discussion finds scum. Simply discussing, although nice from a philosophical standpoint, gets nowhere unless there are votes for pressure. I don't think refusing to vote is indicative of being town or scum (as shown by Fuldu in Kingmaker I), but it
does
make you significantly less helpful than other players, which could be a deciding factor on whether or not you are executed later in the game.
Do you have a
reason
which explains why not voting is
better
than voting? If not, I don't see how you can consistently try to uphold such a strategy.
