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deterministic Big Brother: Mariyta wins the game!

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:31 am

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Hi. I see there's already a Big Brother game going, but I wonder if there's interest in playing a second one.

I basically want to run one with no twists, and competitions decided by spending Influence Points. That means there will be hardly any randomness.

In HOH competitions you'd spend points to stop people from winning, and in POV competitions you'd spend points to assist someone in winning.

The only rule change I want to make (from Big Brother as currently played) is that all players may play for POV, except for the HOH, who can't play POV until the final
four
five. (Given the mechanics I'm proposing, I believe it would be way too easy for the HOH to win POV.)

Would anyone want to be /in for this? I'll paste the rules I've written in a subsequent post.

I'd shoot for around 12 players.

1. chamber
<- evicted Week 5
2. ChannelDelibird
<- evicted Week 2
3. ZeroSum
<- evicted Week 9
4. Save The Dragons
5. ShadowLurker
<- evicted Week 4
6. lordy
<- evicted Week 1
7. rolandofthewhite
repl. themanhimself
<- evicted Week 6
8. bird1111
<- evicted Week 7
9. Mariyta
10. yellowbounder
<- evicted Week 3
11. klebian
<- evicted Week 8
12. rajrhcpfreak

Week 1:
ZeroSum (2nd: chamber) wins HOH
ZeroSum nominates chamber and ChannelDelibird
ChannelDelibird (2nd: ShadowLurker) wins POV
ChannelDelibird vetoes his own nomination
ZeroSum nominates lordy
lordy is evicted 9-0

Week 2:
Mariyta (2nd: bird1111) wins HOH
Mariyta nominates ChannelDelibird and klebian
bird1111 (2nd: yellowbounder) wins POV
bird1111 does not use the POV
ChannelDelibird is evicted 5-3

Week 3:
chamber (2nd: bird1111) wins HOH
chamber nominates ZeroSum and Mariyta
klebian (2nd: rajrhcpfreak) wins POV
klebian vetoes ZeroSum
chamber nominates yellowbounder
yellowbounder is evicted 5-2

Week 4:
rajrhcpfreak (2nd: Save The Dragons) wins HOH
rajrhcpfreak nominates ZeroSum and klebian
Mariyta (2nd: ZeroSum) wins POV
Mariyta vetoes ZeroSum
rajrhcpfreak nominates ShadowLurker
ShadowLurker is evicted 5-1

Week 5:
klebian (2nd: ZeroSum) wins HOH
klebian nominates bird1111 and chamber
bird1111 (2nd: Mariyta) wins POV
bird1111 vetoes his own nomination
klebian nominates rolandofthewhite
chamber is evicted 4-1

Week 6:
ZeroSum (2nd: rajrhcpfreak) wins HOH
ZeroSum nominates rolandofthewhite and bird1111
rolandofthewhite modkilled

Week 7:
klebian (2nd: Mariyta) wins HOH
klebian nominates Mariyta and bird1111
rajrhcpfreak (2nd: Mariyta) wins POV
rajrhcpfreak does not use the POV
bird1111 is evicted 3-0

Week 8:
rajrhcpfreak (2nd: Save The Dragons) wins HOH
rajrhcpfreak nominates ZeroSum and klebian
ZeroSum (2nd: klebian) wins POV
ZeroSum vetoes his own nomination
rajrhcpfreak nominates Save The Dragons
klebian is evicted 1-1 plus tiebreaker

Week 9:
Mariyta (2nd: Save The Dragons) wins HOH
Mariyta nominates ZeroSum and Save The Dragons.
Mariyta (2nd: fill in later) wins POV
Mariyta does not use the POV
ZeroSum is evicted 1-0

Week 10:
rajrhcpfreak (2nd: Mariyta) wins HOH
rajrhcpfreak evicts Save The Dragons

Mariyta wins 5-2!
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:32 am

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Rules:


Every game "week" consists of a Head of Household (HOH) competition; the nomination of two houseguests by the HOH; a Power of Veto (POV) competition; a Power of Veto ceremony where the HOH may be forced to replace one of the nominations; and a secret vote to determine which of the two nominees is evicted from the game permanently.

Private communication among players is allowed and encouraged at all times. (Talking in-thread is allowed and encouraged as well, of course.) Competition moves and votes to evict are sent by PM to the mod. Decisions taken by players in the HOH or POV ceremonies are made in-thread and bolded.

This game will have no twists, and very little randomness. If randomness must be used to break a tie in a competition, the resulting winner receives a secret "karma strike" which may preclude them from winning a similar tie in the future.

Every player receives 10,000 Competition Influence Points at the beginning of the game. These CIPs represent your remaining luck, and ability to influence competitions that would otherwise be a complete lottery. You can never get any more points, unless
everyone
runs out. The expenditure of these points is the sole factor determining who wins each competition. It will never be revealed (during the game) how many points anyone has, or how many they spend towards any purpose.

1. HOH Competition
For the HOH competition, every player tells me a) Whether they throw the competition (in case you don't want to win), and b) If not, how many points they want to spend on various players to
hurt
them in this competition. (The previous HOH submits nothing, as you may not win HOH twice in a row until the final HOH competition.) If you throw the competition, you can't win it unless everyone throws it.

The player (not throwing the competition) receiving the
fewest
total points from other players becomes HOH. Only the identities of the winner and the runner-up will be revealed. (A tie for runner-up is broken randomly but without any karma strike, since it affects nothing.)

The strategy is thus to spend points against players you fear would try to evict you or your allies.

2. HOH Ceremony
When the HOH is ready, he publicly nominates two players for eviction. He can nominate anyone but himself.

3. POV Competition
Unlike the show
,
every player except the HOH
may compete in the POV competition. (The HOH can play when no more than
four
five are alive.) Every player submits a) Whether they throw the competition, and b) If not, how many points they want to spend on various players to
help
them in this competition. You cannot spend points on yourself. If you throw the competition, you can't win it unless everyone throws it.

The player (not throwing the competition) receiving the
most
total points from other players wins the POV. As above, only the identities of the winner and runner-up will be revealed.

Since you can't spend points on yourself, you can't win POV without assistance. Ideally, if nominated, you would give points to an ally who would use the POV to save you. This is because the winner of POV can't be nominated as your replacement.

The reason HOH does not play for POV is to force "pro-status quo" players to coordinate their efforts.

4. POV Ceremony
When the winner of the POV is ready, he publicly announces whether he will use the POV to remove a nominee, or if he will not use the POV. (You
may
use the POV on yourself.) If a nominee is thus vetoed, the HOH will then publicly announce another houseguest to take that nominee's place. He can't nominate the winner of the POV.

5. Voting
Every player, except for the two nominees, PMs to the mod which of the two nominees they vote to evict. The HOH's vote only counts if (for any reason) there is a tie. Only the final count, and whether the HOH's vote was needed, will be revealed.

You may post your vote publicly if you want. But it will be overridden by any vote submitted by PM, even if the PM was sent earlier.

An evicted player is out of the game. If they are one of the final seven evictees, the "jury," they will be asked privately for a ranking of the players indicating to whom they would award the win. This ranking can be changed at any time, and there will be an opportunity to do so at the end of the game as well.

Exceptions:

When four people are left, the HOH can play in the POV competition. If the winner of POV is not the HOH, then at the POV ceremony, the winner of POV publicly chooses to evict one of the two players who is not the HOH. If the winner of POV is the HOH, he may use the power; otherwise the week continues normally.

The winner of HOH with four remaining is eligible to submit a move (and possibly win) in the HOH competition with three remaining.

There is no POV competition or ceremony with three remaining.

When two players remain, the winner is decided by whoever is preferred by a majority of the final seven evictees.

Default moves:

If the game is held up by a player not submitting a move, these default moves will be made for them:

HOH Competition: If the player has posted in the thread since the last eviction, the player does not throw the game, but doesn't spend any points. Otherwise, the player throws the game.

HOH Nominations: If no nomination choices can be received, the runner-up in the HOH competition becomes HOH and takes over.

POV Competition: If the player is not nominated, they throw the competition. Otherwise they don't throw it, but don't spend any points.

POV Ceremony: If the POV holder is nominated, they use the POV on themselves. Otherwise they do not use it.

Eviction Votes: If no vote is submitted, none is counted. If it's the HOH's vote and it's needed to break a tie, then the tie is broken by the earliest vote cast.


Q/A:

I was asked what benefit there is to throwing a competition. There isn't any. It's just a way to avoid winning a competition. For example, suppose you told someone that if you won veto, you'd use it on them. But in reality, you don't want to do that or be put in the position where you're expected to do that. You can just choose to throw that veto competition. You (most likely) won't win and won't show up as the runner-up.

Regarding "karma strikes": These are entirely secret. You don't get to know what you have, and you can't affect them. They are used solely to prevent randomness (due to ties) from favoring one player repeatedly.

I was asked for reassurance regarding what information will be revealed at the end of a competition. The answer is the names of the top two players only. You won't learn who contributed to or detracted from anyone.
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:42 am

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I would be /in for this because BB games kick behind. I like the less random approach too.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Sat Sep 09, 2006 7:02 am

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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Sat Sep 09, 2006 10:33 am

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/in
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Sat Sep 09, 2006 11:07 am

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/in
:sadtorch Ken Hoang, A.D/Fuzzie, Cameron Ferris, Taj Johnson-George, Annie Duke, Patti Blagojevich, Maria/Tiffany :sadtorch
:torch Tammy/Victor, Dan/Jordan
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:13 pm

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/in
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:26 pm

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/in
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:37 pm

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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:54 pm

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/in. Can I be the dumb blond chick?
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:55 pm

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Correction: The dumb blonde chick who's really hot and has really big boobs.
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:51 pm

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sorry already been taken.
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Sun Sep 10, 2006 5:15 am

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This seems interesting.

I will perchance a game.

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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:23 am

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sure, /in.
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Sun Sep 10, 2006 11:50 am

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/in sooo tempting...
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:24 pm

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Ok. I will take us to be "full" unless someone else really wants in prior to the first competition.

I think I will mass-mail everyone with the player list and the submission deadline for HOH Competition #1.


This is what you should know:

1. Start PMing each other! Make alliances and figure out who you can trust! Talking in this thread is fine, too.

2. By Thursday (roughly four days from this post) I need you to send me a PM with your action for the first HOH competition. Examples of legal moves:

a.
throw the competition

b.
play, but spend no points

c.
play, spend: Diane -20, Erika -30
[if Diane and Erika were players in this game]

If you want to comment on what's going on, you can put it in this PM, too. I won't reveal any such commentary and it will help me understand what's happening.

Remember that this is an HOH competition, so you are spending points to
stop
other players from winning.

Thanks everybody.
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Sun Sep 10, 2006 12:37 pm

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HOH Competition #1 : Dodge the Balls


Julie
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Good evening, houseguests. You will now compete to win the most powerful position in the house: Head of Household. The winner will be safe from eviction this week, and bears the grave responsibility of nominating two fellow houseguests for eviction.

Tonight's challenge is called "Dodge the Balls." As you can see, the backyard has been filled with red balls. When time begins, you must hurl them at each other. If you fall over, lose consciousness, or use the bathroom, you are eliminated. The last person standing will be crowned... Head of Household.

Does everyone understand the rules? ... Ok, good luck, houseguests.
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:49 pm

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I currently have:

11/12 moves


I'll keep this updated
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:53 pm

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Question:
Do I lose CIPs if someone chooses to spend points on me in the HOH comp?
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:13 pm

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Answer: Nope. The only way you can lose CIPs is by spending them yourself. What people gain by spending CIPs against you in an HOH competition, is just a greater chance of keeping you from winning.
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:00 pm

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On a semi-related note: BB-Allstars finale tonight!
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:04 pm

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i love mike.

and erika is nice..... untill she started smoking like a train.

and also turning into a bitch wasnt that nice either.
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:11 pm

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/<intrudes

Woot go Boogie. Bring it home for Chilltown

intudes>
Unban me please

At the very least, at least respond to my unanswered PMs mith.
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Tue Sep 12, 2006 12:57 pm

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cubs your in the wrong house.

get out of the house.



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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:57 pm

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HOH Competition 1: Results!


You all throw balls at each other's heads. Many lose consciousness, retreat into the house, or wet themselves. The last two standing are:

Winner:
ZeroSum !
Runner-up: chamber


ZeroSum, you are the first HOH. Please hold your nomination ceremony (i.e. name your two nominees in-thread, along with any rationale you care to give) within
72 hours
.

I'm sending this in PM form as well. All players should feel free to discuss the options with ZeroSum.



Other news:

themanhimself has quit the game. I can take a replacement (and will start looking). Until he's replaced or voted out of the house, he will make the default moves (throw everything, fail to vote).
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