Mini 332 - Camp Scum Lake - Mod Abandoned

[B Rob]

Wow, and we find another victim of "Oh fuck, someone suspects me, I better unvote" syndrome. Honestly, this is time and time again classic IE scumtell. Add in the fact that You seem to be backing but not overall connecting to serinah, and BRob definitely has scummy on him.

Vote:BRob

Rip him appart? Come on, you make is sound like there's that much to go on! I had a little more time to think over it, and I've decided that he's probably protown. He really wasn't asking to be lynched, that was a misinterpretation on my part. Note: Channel Delibird seemed to buy into my misinterpretation. I unvoted him because I think he is protown. Shouldn't we lynch scum?

And how am I linked to serinah? I haven't mentioned her at all, nor has she mentioned me. It sounds like you are trying to establish a potential scum pair that you can point to.

Vote: Rosso Carne

Varian, you believed that Maverick was protown. Proof:

Well, I've just got to say that this sure is a change - usually I'm the one whose labelled as being too aggressive.

However, because of this, I think it would be a bad idea to lynch Maverick.

I've never seen aggressiveness to be scummy, and I actually agree with him about B Rob. Though its somewhat metagaming in that I'm in another game with him, and that point-by-point post seems out of character for him.

So, I'm going to:

Unvote: Rosso Carne

Vote: B Rob

Am I not allowed to unvote and change my mind after further reflection, or damned to lynch him? Since you initially voted me for suspecting Maverick and using sound reason to support my actions, but now that I've changed my stance, I am equally scummy. This is a trap set by scum.

FOS: Varian

[B Rob]

So you give us a thorough analysis of how Maverick contradicts himself, and then you proceed to unvote? That doesn't make any sense. If you think he's scummy, keep your vote on him.

FOS: B Rob

I didn't vote Maverick because I thought he was scummy. I voted him because I wrongly believed that he was asking to be lynched. Proof:

That's not true, if I were to get lynched then people would see that I was town, and it would give them a better idea of who is scum. I'm not saying I should be lynched, nor am I saying that me being lynched would give town scum for sure. But I definately think it would narrow it down a bit.

I say we give Maverick what he wants and lynch him.

Actually I'm pretty sure I havn't backed off at all. Right now the fingers of many are pointing at me, which in turn will lead to something else whether I get lynched or not. Something is bound to happen from this, and that's all I wanted. I honestly don't care if people believe me, so if it takes me getting lynched to figure out i'm just town go for it.

And your right Erotomachia, random arguements arn't helpful, that's why I wanted to change the subject from arguing over the meaning of a name to everyone having something to talk about. Right now all we are doing is gathering information, most of you are focusing on me, but at the same time your reading everyone else's opinions and gathering information on other people whether you realize it or not.

Right now, I'd say we're doing very well for Day 1 as far as information goes.

I agree, this has been a good Day 1.

Actually, this post makes you sound very protown to me, but I still think we should lynch someone when they are literally asking for it. Otherwise, we could have scum say the same thing and get away with it.

After proofreading this post, I realized that early on I tried to prevent a miss lynch, and may now be advocating a miss lynch. I just don't think we should let someone go when they ask to be lynched.

Turns out, he was never actually asking to be lynched. Shouldn't we be trying to lynch scum rather then lynch a townie who's words were misinterpreted?

[Rosso Carne]

Wow, and we find another victim of "Oh fuck, someone suspects me, I better unvote" syndrome. Honestly, this is time and time again classic IE scumtell. Add in the fact that You seem to be backing but not overall connecting to serinah, and BRob definitely has scummy on him.

Vote:BRob

Rip him appart? Come on, you make is sound like there's that much to go on! I had a little more time to think over it, and I've decided that he's probably protown. He really wasn't asking to be lynched, that was a misinterpretation on my part. Note: Channel Delibird seemed to buy into my misinterpretation. I unvoted him because I think he is protown. Shouldn't we lynch scum?

And how am I linked to serinah? I haven't mentioned her at all, nor has she mentioned me. It sounds like you are trying to establish a potential scum pair that you can point to.

Vote: Rosso Carne

Slightly WIFOM here, but why would scum mention one another during the day, especially day 1. Just seems like that would put a target on scums heads right off the bat.

I say youre actions are linked as it seems that you're voting/suspiscion record are practically the same, as well as your "oh fuck..." behaviors (guess I'll be writing that a lot this game). on top of this, I feel your vote is slightly OMGUS.

[Varian]

Even if he

did

ask to be lynch, how is it any manner of productive to actually do it if you don't think he's scum?

You're digging yourself a bigger hole.

I'm a bit too tired to say much more, so I'll post it tomorrow.

[B Rob]

And how am I linked to serinah? I haven't mentioned her at all, nor has she mentioned me. It sounds like you are trying to establish a potential scum pair that you can point to.

Vote: Rosso Carne

I say youre actions are linked as it seems that you're voting/suspiscion record are practically the same, as well as your "oh fuck..." behaviors (guess I'll be writing that a lot this game).

If I was scum, I would pay closer attention to what others were finding scummy and would avoid duplicating that behavior.

on top of this, I feel your vote is slightly OMGUS.

So? Maverick did the same thing to me, and you said nothing.

[Rosso Carne]

So? Maverick did the same thing to me, and you said nothing.

I also had other scummy vibes from you, and none from mav.

[TB]

All right, that post is the limit.

Unvote, vote Rosso Carne

.
I'm getting the feeling that Maverick's buddy's are trying to protect him by attacking B Rob, while the arguments they use are extremely poor.
I understand B Rob's reasons for unvoting, and I was tempted to unvote myself, but since Maverick was still the most supicious guy in my book, I didn't. With this post:

I also had other scummy vibes from you, and none from mav.

that completely changed.
I don't think it's possible to get no scummy vibes from Mav. By don't explaining yourself on the "other scummy vibes" you don't have a lot of evidence.

Either Maverick is scum and Rosso Carne is trying to protect him, or Maverick is protown and Rosso Carne is scum trying to convince other people that they shouldn't e making a mislynch, thus gaining the trust of the town.

[Rosso Carne]

or, i honestly got nothing but a little aggression from mav. He never really asked to be lynched, that was fabricated/misread/whatever, and how are you sposed to get any information without a little aggression. I thought his bandwagon was extremely unreasonable mostly scum taking advantage of a mob mentality.

[ChannelDelibird]

FoS: TB

for not considering the possibility that Rosso might be innocent. At the moment, I'm not sure who's the best lynch today.

unvote: Maverick

for now, although maintaining an FoS.

[Maverick]

TB I noticed that too about Rosso, The fact that he didn't find me somewhat suspicious when many others did is a little odd but I'm not scum. Whether he is or not, I don't know but i doubt that he is to be honest. Scum doesn't usually make mistakes like that..

B Rob is doing a good job of changing my mind, I still think he's the most scummy here, but I'm not as sure as I was. My vote stays mostly because it's day 1, but i do still find him scummy.

And see now ChannelDelibird unvotes, which to me is weird as well. I really don't know what kind of game your trying to play CDB, but to vote and unvote is suspicious, and to change your vote to an FOS without voting someone else that you think is more suspicious is just dumb IMO. I don't know.. I'd have to say that B Rob and CDB are still my top 2.

[ChannelDelibird]

And see now ChannelDelibird unvotes, which to me is weird as well. I really don't know what kind of game your trying to play CDB, but to vote and unvote is suspicious, and to change your vote to an FOS without voting someone else that you think is more suspicious is just dumb IMO. I don't know.. I'd have to say that B Rob and CDB are still my top 2.

It's in my nature to be noncommittal. If I don't think someone is scummy enough for me to be happy with lynching them at that time then I'd rather not be voting for them. That is the situation at the moment - I feel both you and TB are more suspicious to me at the moment but I wouldn't be comfortable lynching either of you at this point. Hope that clears things up.

[Erotomachia]

Bump.

FoS: TB for not considering the possibility that Rosso might be innocent. At the moment, I'm not sure who's the best lynch today. unvote: Maverick for now, although maintaining an FoS.

Seems like you're just trying to make up something in order to have something to post. TB didn't consider the possibility that Rosso is innocent because he obviously voted for him!

The fact that he didn't find me somewhat suspicious when many others did is a little odd

but I'm not scum.

In another game I'm playing everyone jumped on me for saying something similar. It's too blatant of a deflection. Although I don't find you scummy...I think you're just a frustrated townie (especially earlier when you seemed to ask to be lynched).

Anyway, I find B Rob's complete turnaround on Maverick ridiculous. I'm very suspicious of his behaviour.

Vote: B Rob

[B Rob]

How many votes did I have on me when I unvoted Maverick? Two? Perhaps three? That's not even half way to a lynch, so why on earth would I freak out and unvote so people would back off when I wasn't even close to being lynched?

I origionally voted Maverick because I thought he was asking to be lynched, but I misinterpreted what he said. After a reread, I realized I made a mistake and unvoted. How exactly is that scummy?

[B Rob]

Even if he

did

ask to be lynch, how is it any manner of productive to actually do it if you don't think he's scum?

You're digging yourself a bigger hole.

I'm a bit too tired to say much more, so I'll post it tomorrow.

I don't know why I didn't respond to this before, but I will now.

If someone asks to be lynched, I think we should just lynch them. Why? Because scum could use such a tactic to make them seem protown. Townies don't have a good reason to want to be lynched, since we would be one step closer to loosing, and I don't see why any player would want to be lynched since they couldn't play anymore if they were dead.

It's a metagame policy similar to Lynch All Liars that is intended to discourage bad play. So far, I've only seen newbies ask to be lynched, and it never works out.

[Maverick]

I wasn't trying to prove anything by saying that I'm not scum, anyone can say that they arn't scum.. I was just making a statement.

I may not be able to post much more after this until Sunday night or Monday, because I'm out of town and don't have much access to a computer. I'll try to keep updated and post as much as possable though.

[Varian]

Even if he

did

ask to be lynch, how is it any manner of productive to actually do it if you don't think he's scum?

You're digging yourself a bigger hole.

I'm a bit too tired to say much more, so I'll post it tomorrow.

I don't know why I didn't respond to this before, but I will now.

If someone asks to be lynched, I think we should just lynch them. Why? Because scum could use such a tactic to make them seem protown. Townies don't have a good reason to want to be lynched, since we would be one step closer to loosing, and I don't see why any player would want to be lynched since they couldn't play anymore if they were dead.

It's a metagame policy similar to Lynch All Liars that is intended to discourage bad play. So far, I've only seen newbies ask to be lynched, and it never works out.

That's stupid.

Really. It is.

If someone asks to be lynched, ignore that, and judge them based on other things. For instance, if I was getting attacked from all sides, even if I was town, sooner or later, if my defense kept failing, I would just be like "Fine, lynch me then." Its a sign of frustration, and that is no where near the level of LAL.

Its not that hard to ignore a "Fine, lynch me" comment and make a vote based on everything else aside from it. If they

are

scum, chances are they'll have more scummy indicators than just that.

So, I don't find that excuse very redeeming.

"Well, a townie asking to be lynched would hurt the town!"
but you're willing to go "
I don't care if he's townie or not, he asked to be lynched, so lynch him!"

Lynching a townie hurts the town, so lynching anyone

solely

for asking to be lynched is completely lacking in sense.

[Erotomachia]

I haven't played very many Mafia games, but in both cases where I played with someone who self-voted/asked to be lynched they ended up being town.

So I definitely agree with Varian. I see it more like a frustrated townie who has given up on any hope of defending himself.

[Twito]

My primary suspects atm are:
ChannelDelibird
B Rob
Rosso
Maverick

And it's pretty hard to make decision between them. Lately B Rob has been posting pretty weak defence and I'm really considering on voting him.

It's scum that benefits from lynching everyone who asks to get lynched. I agree with Varian here.
B Robs defence, "misread", doesn't look right to me. Also he keeps saying that if someone askes to get lynched we should lynch him and I completely disagree with that. It's like suggesting massroleclaim on day1.

I haven't yet decided whether to keep my vote where it is or move it to someone else on that list.. almost feel like moving to B Rob but I think I will wait and see if those wibes change.

[Maverick]

The more we get into this I find Twito more suspicious as well. Not enough for a vote, or even a FOS necisarily but he seems to not post much, and then we he does post he posts just enough to make it look like he's helping, but at the same time doesn't really add anything to discussion. He pretty much agrees with what has been said and it's weird.

[Twito]

I don't see need for me to post more.
I give my opinion and analyzes on things I feel are somehow important. If there is something that requires my attention let me know.. however I'm following the thread and answering guestions when someone doesn't do it quicker than me.

[B Rob]

If someone asks to be lynched, ignore that, and judge them based on other things. For instance, if I was getting attacked from all sides, even if I was town, sooner or later, if my defense kept failing, I would just be like "Fine, lynch me then." Its a sign of frustration, and that is no where near the level of LAL.

That sounds more like an admission of defeat then a sign of frustration. But that's semantics.

Its not that hard to ignore a "Fine, lynch me" comment and make a vote based on everything else aside from it. If they

are

scum, chances are they'll have more scummy indicators than just that.

What are Maverick's other scummy indicators? Remember, you are voting for me because I unvoted Maverick.

Honestly, this is a matter of opinion, and if you want to lynch me over my idea, then you need to rethink your standards.

Unvote: Rosso Carne Vote: Varian

I think either or both of them could be scum. Varian seems the scummiest at this point.

[Varian]

Hm.. how interesting.. I go after you, and suddenly I become the scummiest. You're really not helping your case

at all

.

I already stated that I don't think Maverick is scummy, and it wasn't that you unvoted

him

persay, but how you went about it. You took the time for a point-by-point post, where you adamantly spouted that he should be lynched, and then, an entire point-by-point argument falls apart because "Oops, I misread" If your entire vote was based off of that single little bit, it was pretty damn weak in the first place.

Also, if the person is a townie, then its not "an admission of defeat" its frustration.

And, if you are willing to lynch anyone who asks for it... why should

I

have to rethink my idea? At least with my idea, I'm lynching someone who has set off a few people's scumdar.

[serinah80]

sry for not posting a while. I was overloaded with work and yesterday evening forum seemed to be down.

anyway, I've read the whole thing. And got some jumbled thoughts but I'll post them later this evening 'cause today it's sunday and I'm going to church!! I sing in a choir you know!

[serinah80]

ok here goes.
firstly, I'm a woman and emotional one. I won't be giving much proof because I believe there is no sufficient proof on anything yet. but I'll give you my opinions.

Maverick - is acting like a townie. agressiveness is coming from his character. but he is trying to cover it up. (I wanted to start a discussion, etc).

BRob - hopping around, contradicting himself, changing his mind. very human, can be scum, can be teenager. (no offence, I'm one myself) somehow I still think he's town.

ChannelDelibird - logical, thinks through everything he says. I personally find this type of players the most suspicious. maybe it's because I'm the exact opposite by nature. I don't understand sherlocks. so FoS CDB.

Varian, TB, Erotomachia - I have no idea, too hard to crack. Can be town, can be scum. They act like experienced players and they play like they don't really care if the'll be lynched or not. It's just a game, right? They probably play at least 3 more right now and it shows here.

Twito - plays a hundred games at the same time and is mildly passionate about it. Somehow I think he would pay more attention to the game from the start if he was a scum.

Rosso Crane - my favourite scum. Well, I think he is. Agressive and sharp. His goal of game seems to be lynching someone. It might be town that likes action but I think it's a scum that wants to win. I'll be quite surprised if he turns up dead tomorrow. or any other day for that matter.

yellowbounder, PBuG, WarpDragon - it's impossible to have an opinion on anyone that are hardly playing.

Well, I have shared my thought, lets see who of you will mark me as scum and why

BTW, I don't remember if I already said that but just in case.
I'm not voting because I don't believe we have much evidence yet. Maybe I will vote at the end of the day, maybe not. I hope you won't find that scummy.

[Erotomachia]

Varian, TB, Erotomachia - I have no idea, too hard to crack. Can be town, can be scum. They act like experienced players and they play like they don't really care if the'll be lynched or not. It's just a game, right? They probably play at least 3 more right now and it shows here.

My, my, quite a surprise. I'm flattered that you would view me as an experienced player, because I am in fact a huge newbie! (This is only my 3rd game, and the 2nd one's still in progress.)