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oh, random thought while I look at D.Eagle

so I looked back at Jacob to see if he gave reads and explained them and whatnot (I think ETL and someone else was saying this but no one pointed it out to me), and yeah, he didn't seem to give much reasoning but said he did.

...but I think scum would usually try and state reads and make sure their reasoning stays consistent, no? it seems like something scum would want to keep track of. like, if you're scum and someone's like "hey you didn't explain this read" I feel like you'd be more likely to say "oh I'm sorry, here:" not "I thought I already explained them".

so there's some more townpoints for Jacob.

re: Eagle

post 188:
re:13 - this question is kinda bad and doesn't make sense.
re:21 - it was the timing.
re:28 - har har.

post 190:
re:50 - don't get what he's getting at here, asking pieguy why he only gave his opinion on a wagon when asked to. uhh?
re:56 - vaguely calls Hiraki scummy and asks why TNE isn't paying attention to him. interesting.
re:74 - more of this "why are you saying stuff about X but not Y" is throwing pings onto my scumdar.
re:103 - ... this is a good question though.
re:113/119 - throws suspicion on Venmar then suspicion on Brian for jumping on Venmar. uhh...
re:121 - throwing suspicion on Sakura for calling Ank scummy... wasn't he kind of implying Ank was scummy two points up?

gonna pause here and note that Eagle seems to be asking a lot of questions that imply he thinks the person he's asking is scummy.

"you did this while someone else did this, what's up with that?" (hypocrisy scumtell)
"you're gonna comment on ? *someone else attacks that person* I don't like this attack".
"why are you thinking she's town for defending someone you think is scum?"

like, go read this post and look at the questions and posts he's quoting, and look at the attitude he has. I don't know if I'm explaining it well, but maybe someone else will see what I mean. and I get having multiple scumreads and all but he seems to be suspicious of literally everyone. maybe I'm looking too much into it? anyway...

re:128 - whiteknighting something scum does to town for towncred, but that's not necessarily the definition. not a bad point though. actually... why would scum defend scum so hard? that's a really good point.


post 299:

didn't both of you say something accusatory about using FoS (well HoS) instead of votes earlier? this pings my scumdar a bit.

not liking the hydra dissonance-esque "I need to ask my other head" stuff in 348 and 373.

all in all... kinda scummy? but at the same time he does have some good points and questions. I'd put him between null and scummy; I would much rather lynch someone else today but I have a close eye on him for sure.

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ETL: "There's few scum who bus hardcore D1 and actually seek to run their partner up to L-1 in the first 10 pages. Their first duty is to help their partner mislynch."

"partner". ... that's an interesting choice of word. there's three scum. one's a traitor, yeah, but in my mind I still consider there being three scum. so when I'm thinking of this type of stuff, I'm thinking that scum have two partner. Why did you say "partner"?

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tomorrow I'll look into ETL and TNE some more as well. or play more KH the entire day, I dunno

In post 426, InflatablePie wrote:"why are you thinking she's town for defending someone you think is scum?"

+ "*to the other person* why are you thinking is scummy for selfvoting?"

TNE, I know I'm the last person who should be saying this, but can you post a bit more than nothing?

In post 277, Alduskkel wrote:Who the fuck pops in only to give meta, defend himself, and talk about his own claimed role?

Can you explain this?

Ankamius wrote:Hell, I just don't get a very town feel from his play at all this game.

Can you go into more detail?

Brian wrote:I'm not sold on you yet.

Are you going to vote Sakura, and why?

DrEagle wrote:Hiraki - leaning town
EspeciallyTheLies - leaning scum

Explain. None of the quotes in this post are mine and I don't get the ETL leaning scum.

I want a Sakura case.

I'd really rather an Aduskel or TNE lynch than a Sakura lynch, in fact.

Skimmed isos. Conclusions:

-Brian Skies seems town at a glance, except when you look at his votes and his scumreads you realize that he doesn't actually really push anything. I feel like he is mostly commenting on this game rather than scumhunting.

-DoctorEagle is vaguely town, can't get a hard read yet though. Need a lot more content.

-ETL is just off. No clue why.

-Hiraki is a scumread to me as many of you know, but I'm going to hold off on pushing him for at least a little bit because I want to see how he interacts with players who are not me.

-IP bugs me because a) VA mostly just bandwagoned on Venrob and b) IP has this way of calling someone scummy and then second-guessing himself and putting off actually applying any pressure. Case in point: 424 on Hiraki, 426 on DE. Still feel like the Sakura scumread came out of nowhere.

-Can't read TNE without more content. Mildly scummy.

-Gut town read on Sakura + from what I gather (admittedly based on what Sakura has said) she tends to get mislynched as Town. I am very weary of us sliding into an "easy" Sakura lynch like we almost did yesterday.


I think my vote is best placed here for now.

@Hiraki: What's there to explain? I was expressing my incredulity at Venrob's play.

Oh, and tell me in your own words why TNE is scum. Preferably more than just "TNE lurks."

TNE doesn't give good reads.

Elaborate.

Alright, I did a quick reread and, here are my thoughts.

I'm not feeling great about VA, I don't know if she is actively lurking, but she needs to post more.

TNE and Hiraki, can you explain your town read on me?

Also, I have a gut scumread on TNE, and Brain might be scum too. I need to ISO Brain/TNE.

It's like you aren't even reading the thread.

In post 436, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:It's like you aren't even reading the thread.

And doesn't want to engage with me because he knows I can read him (I have hydra'd with DP)

I believe the post up there was made by eagle. DP isn't that careless, as either alignment.

In post 438, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I believe the post up there was made by eagle. DP isn't that careless, as either alignment.

I know the post was made by eagle, hence why I'm wondering why DP hasn't come out to engage with me.

Because Im on a sitewide V/LA that ends today, so you'll get your chance later Cherry

.... not once, but twice.

In post 435, DoctorEagle wrote:Brain might be scum too. I need to ISO Brain/TNE.

Sorry guys, been backed up on my game-load. Will post this weekend. My activity is better on weekends.

In post 428, Hiraki wrote:

In post 277, Alduskkel wrote:Who the fuck pops in only to give meta, defend himself, and talk about his own claimed role?

Can you explain this?

Ankamius wrote:Hell, I just don't get a very town feel from his play at all this game.

Can you go into more detail?

This looks a lot more like scum trying to look active than town trying to force explanations for reads out into the open.

The first question doesn't even make sense, since I literally don't see how this can be any more clear. The fact that he was told this (in the form of a question no doubt) and chose to ignore it makes me even more unsettled as to why this question was asked in the first place.

The second question is basically irrelevant. Until I am made aware of why this matters at all, I will not be answering this question.

I remember literally nothing about DE, but I feel that catch-up post is a slight towntell.

Guys I'm sorry that I don't post much now.

It's because of school programs and shit.

So I just post based on what I skim now.

Anyways...

Ald town because of #389, #391, and #392

In post 435, DoctorEagle wrote:Alright, I did a quick reread and, here are my thoughts.

I'm not feeling great about VA, I don't know if she is actively lurking, but she needs to post more.

TNE and Hiraki, can you explain your town read on me?

Also, I have a gut scumread on TNE, and Brain might be scum too. I need to ISO Brain/TNE.

I'll explain when I have time.

In post 431, Hiraki wrote:TNE doesn't give good reads.

I... uhm... like... ALWAYS said pieguy was town.
>.>
You sadden me

In post 445, thenewearth wrote:I... uhm... like... ALWAYS said pieguy was town.

>this person flipped town so I must have good reads :):)

DoctorEagle is leaning scum. I never called you town, first off and I don't like your responses now. TNE should die first though.

In post 426, InflatablePie wrote:post 190:
re:103 - ... this is a good question though.

Ank, wanna explain this one?

ISO me. This was long since answered.

Sifted through Brian's ISO, there are some posts that I like and some I don't, so I can't really call him town or scum. Also, ETL's post made me lol, sorry about that Brian!

Still can't shake the gut feeling of TNE.

Also, Hiraki, if I'm not town, then how the hell did I make your "We are not lynching this guy" list on Day 1?

VOTE: Hiraki

/Prod Dodge, Imma going to get some sleep.

@DE, do you think reads can change?