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[CherryDrPepper]

UNVOTE:

i didnt do nuthin', officer

Ok nvm im pretty sure my other head would agree to voting this
VOTE: Saki
-Sakura Hana

[StubbsKVM]

Sakura and Dr Pepper? Should be fun.
I remember Sakura checking the wiki for information before, so that fits her playstyle.


VOTE: Flench

for asking for a top mafia pick at post 16.

[Varsoon]

@Pasche: Heya! Sorry I placed out of the last game we had, but couldn't handle the work-load. Glad to see you as conf-town here. Not sure if I agree with your Saki point, since I've seen plenty of town cull votes for lynches in a similar fashion. Reads as null for me.
Which, you know, I could vote for because I don't like the process, but that's like the pot calling the kettle black. Eh, maybe I'm over-thinking it. It's 6 AM here, so I'll post when I'm more coherent.

[Does Bo Know]

Votecount 1.1

[L-4] Saki - Flench, Paschendale, CherryDrPepper
[L-5] CherryDrPepper - oriole, Glass
[L-6] Varsoon - jmo16mla
[L-6] Glass - Titus
[L-6] Flench - StubbsKVM

Not Voting: Vote Me, TunnelVision, Dyslexicon, Varsoon, Saki

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

Deadline is Friday, August 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 PM CST ((expired on 2013-08-02 19:30:00)).

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[Titus]

@Pasche: Heya! Sorry I placed out of the last game we had, but couldn't handle the work-load. Glad to see you as conf-town here. Not sure if I agree with your Saki point, since I've seen plenty of town cull votes for lynches in a similar fashion. Reads as null for me.
Which, you know, I could vote for because I don't like the process, but that's like the pot calling the kettle black. Eh, maybe I'm over-thinking it. It's 6 AM here, so I'll post when I'm more coherent.

You have seen the town push for a policy lynch this early? When?

Also, this has a feeling of buddying.

[Glass]

Titus and Pasch:
Do you think that Saki was being serious when he was pushing for a policy lynch?

[Titus]

Titus and Pasch:
Do you think that Saki was being serious when he was pushing for a policy lynch?

I'm leaning towards Saki being serious but the guy trolls a whole lot. I can't tell yet whether it's his playstyle or him seriously pushing.

[oriole]

Titus and Pasch:
Do you think that Saki was being serious when he was pushing for a policy lynch?

I'm leaning towards Saki being serious but the guy trolls a whole lot. I can't tell yet whether it's his playstyle or him seriously pushing.

So if he was seriously pushing, why would he stop (unvote in 49) after being voted by Pasch?

[Titus]

He's thinking, oh crap, I'm caught, better unvote. Pushing for a policy lynch this early would be problematic if confirmed town caught him. Of course, I am speculating here.

[Glass]

So why aren't you voting Saki?

[Varsoon]

@Titus: You're probably jumping to conclusions or rationalizing the beginnings of an early wagon in your post 58.
As far as your comment in 54, you can say it's buddying, but given my history of games with Pasche, it's just a bit I wanted to share but couldn't via PM, because, you know. Rules and stuff.
To your question, yes--but in different cases. Mostly for lurkers/a miller.

[Titus]

So why aren't you voting Saki?

I am not certain if he's scum. I am concerned if I jump on, more people might and the bandwagon might reach the point of no return. There are already a few people voting Saki. If I was certain Saki was scum, I'd vote him without caring if he might eventually wind up lynched. However, I'm not. If there wasn't already a train on Saki, I'd vote him to see what happened.

So, do you care to share this history with the rest of the class Varsoon?

[oriole]

He's thinking, oh crap, I'm caught, better unvote. Pushing for a policy lynch this early would be problematic if confirmed town caught him. Of course, I am speculating here.

Do you think policy lynches are scummy, then?

p-edit: I'm pretty sure that L-3 isn't the point if no return, Titus.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Titus

[Titus]

L-3 isn't the point of no return. However, if more players jump onto the Saki bandwagon and become convinced, it would reach the point of no return. It's early in the day, let's keep our options open until we are certain someone is scum.

Yeah, I do think policy lynches are scummy. We should lynch who we believe to be scummy, not based on policy.

[Glass]

VOTE: Titus

[oriole]

If the wagon's early, not even L-1 is the point of no return.

Also, I really don't like this.

So, do you care to share this history with the rest of the class Varsoon?

[Titus]

I don't like people who rely on history to justify a position without detailing that history. When I feel something is being withheld, I get aggressive.

[Paschendale]

Titus and Pasch:
Do you think that Saki was being serious when he was pushing for a policy lynch?

That is exactly what I said, isn't it?

I also dislike policy lynches, but talking about them can be useful. Meanwhile, voting Titus for opposing policy lynches is stupid.

Glass is moving up my scumlist. The vote on DrCherry looked forced, like listing a reason that wasn't genuine at all, same with jumping on voting for Titus.

[CherryDrPepper]

DP here. Catching up.

No RVS votes are bad because they deny town of RVS based information. But since its a consistent playstyle thing, its not scummy coming from Varsoon.

Saki's first game here where he was town, he didnt jump votes a lot in RVS and was fairly timid and cautios and a bit of a joker. This got him scum vibes=21640#p4976509]Here it is so I think he could be a possible scumspect based on that. Now off to page2

[CherryDrPepper]

Link did not post properly
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p4976509

Glass' vote was bad. Why is it odd?
Titus' vote was also bad. RVS on one, legit fos on another. Thats kind of an "Im too scared to vote because people might suspect me of bandwagonning" vibe from me.

Flech's "worst town posts so far" when describing Saki bothers me. You think he's town, thn you vote?

Saki Y U No like me?

Btw, Pasche is probably town for that. Saki gets more scum points for unvoting to appease him. This is not the paranoid town Saki I've seen

[Titus]

Umm DP, Pasch is the innocent child. There is no probably town as far as Pasche is concerned. He IS town.

[CherryDrPepper]

Good vote Sakura ^_^

Glass, if you mention twice, it hardly counts as a joke.

Titus explains scum reads. Without voting non RVS. Also gets scum points. If you are suspicious of Saki, why fear for the point of no return, which btw does not really exist. Feels like failed distancing.

Random vote shifting from Glass. Whutt?

I like oriole, but Im having trouble seeing whats wrong with that Titus post.

Thats about it

P-edit. I have not been reading very attentively then :/

[CherryDrPepper]

Then with pasche as an IC, im more sure of Saki being scum due to the unvote

[Glass]

Glass' vote was bad. Why is it odd?

Because voting for someone for a reason > voting for someone for no reason.

Glass, if you mention twice, it hardly counts as a joke.

I would hardly call any of Saki's posts thus far serious.

I also dislike policy lynches, but talking about them can be useful. Meanwhile, voting Titus for opposing policy lynches is stupid.

That is not why I am voting Titus, but I guess it's understandable to think that since I didn't explicitly say why I was. It is very similar to the reason why I was voting Cherry, in that Titus has a suspect in mind but keeping his vote RVS because he is scared that a wagon will form on his suspect... Doesn't really make sense to me.

[Titus]

@Dr. Pepper/Glass, I fear the point of no return due to the value Saki provides if s/he is town. If Saki's town, that's a player unafraid to risk their own hide to try and catch scum. That's not someone we want strung up so early. Suspicious =/= scummy. I know I am suspicious of those with play styles different than my own. I try to only vote those who are RVS or who I am convinced are scum.

I'm sure my opinion on Saki will be clarified in a few more posts from him/her.