Mini 1463 (it has shitty jokes) over

[Alabaska J]

Honestly, Bub+Kid A+NTP makes a ton of sense.

can you back this up with evidence instead of making blanket statements please?

[Kid A]

I still think Kid A is scum.

Bub's posts today have been literally awful however and that coupled with hard pushing the wagon off of NTP leads me to believe he is a great lynch.

I'll see what Bub flips and then go from there on Kid A.

this genuinely reads as i think bub is an easier mislynch than kid a right now

stop it why did you dumbtell

[Smudger]

Right firstly I need to do this,

UNVOTE:

Because wait has been commented my vote went on and tbh things are happening in thread that I need to.read on and give my comments and questions/answers on. Trouble is RL is in the way until Sunday. Just gone 22:43 here so have no time to digest everything.

[RadiantCowbells]

but I knew if I had my chance that I could make those people dance and maybe they'd be happy for a while

but february made me shiver with every paper I'd deliver bad news on the doorstep I couldn't take one more step

and i can't remember if I cried when I about the widowed bridge and something touched me deep inside

the day the music died

[Generic]

@Generic, you were the second one to vote Bub while quoting a post from Cowbells

IIRC you claimed you voted to pressure Bub

now you unvote because the wagon grew too fast?

If so, then why no comment on Smudger's immediate hop on the wagon as the third vote?

If you chose to unvote Bub, does that mean you are satisfied with his response thus far? because they are far from satisfactory.

I have no intention of dismissing bub, but intent to put him at L-1 is still pressure, without the added situation of someone else hammering. Call it trying to keep a measure of control if you like, but what have we really learned from day 2 besaides you crack under pressure, cowbells hasn't changed his/her view of kid A but isn't totally tunnelled they cant look elsewhere, and smudger the hammerer has not done an awful lot yet.

I have 4 im reading as town right now, and thats (in order of how much I believe them to be town) Adlusskel, alabaska, om the nom, kid A.

In the middle I have cowbells and yessiree. Both of you are very commited, and aggression I know all too well can be born out of frustration so you guys get a null simply because I can empathise with that mindset but cannot call you town while you have these scummy actions.

I also have to null TMT for bias reasons, I feel very anti him purely because of his tunnelled push on me yesterday. I know I need to be objective, and its why I have shelved him in null, but he has dropped a couple of anti town posts (non committal to the hammer in general and leaned towards kid A without actually commiting a vote) but also been pro town at times, including being willing to put out an updated TS list, although it was very short and lacking in commitment.

So that leaves:
Mutleyddmc - Came in late, was the one who set up the hammer for smudger, but my concern there is that NTP was sinking and had claimed bomb at that point. Posts in single sentences, can really get any major sign of scumhunting or full participation. Feels like he is flying under the radar for me. Leaning scum.

Bub Bidderskins - Not showing signs of heavy involvement day 2 after being a strong feature of day 1. don't want to see a fast lynch on anyone today while I collect my thoughts, but of the remaining players is the most likely to get my vote if he doesn't put anything down in text that shows me some pro town effort.

smudger - hammered the scum player. was very keen to hammer it too, so I cant get over the idea he set that up to get major town cred. hasn't really commited much in the analysis of players, feels like he is flying under the radar. Smudger I players please,

[N]

Vote Count 2.04

yessiree

( 1 ) Kid A

Generic

( 0 )

Mutleyddmc

( 0 )

Kid A

( 0 )

Bub Bidderskins

( 4 ) Om of the Nom , Alabaska J , yessiree , RadiantCowbells

Alabaska J

( 0 )

TMTOLBTWNTOF

( 0 )

Smudger

( 0 )

RadiantCowbells

( 2 ) Mutleyddmc , Bub Bidderskins

Alduskkel

( 0 )

Om of the Nom

( 0 )

Not voting:

TMTOLBTWNTOF , Alduskkel , Smudger , Generic

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in

(expired on 2013-07-24 09:12:40)

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[Alduskkel]

Limited Access for the next 2 days.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Bub, i'd like you to go back to your day 1 self and quote a couple early NTP posts that you found townie.

Fixed the spoiler tag ~N

VOTE: TMTOLBTWNTOF way too many caps man.

on that note,

FoS: DCLXVI

Vote: Alabaska J

The FoS is completely unsubstantiated and useless.

First post during RVS stage, looks to me like a sarcastic response.

I'm attacking them for making a silly FOS, not because it was on you.

"Silly" again, makes it sound joking. Attacking him over a "silly FoS" doesn't sound like a joke to anyone else, especially during RVS? I'm standing by that point, looks to me like a joke.

Then again, people here are sooooo serious it gets boring after a while.

Wheeeeeeee Radiant just OMGUS'd us tooo yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

How can you say in your right mind those are serious posts whatsoever, especially given the time period they were posted

Generic you did the vote method wrong js

Also if you've seen me play you know I'm mucho de paranoia

Weak townread on absta thus far, flip side for radiant.

I felt that this was an attempt to get the game started. Furthermore, I read a lot of the case against NTP as simply confusion over the hydra. Of course, I was wrong.

[Bub Bidderskins]

So basically the two biggest wagons are the two most vocally either defending NTP or persecuting kid A.

Kid A is seemingly an antagonistic little fucker, but his play has been pro town so I think cowbells is just tunnelling out of pride more than anything else.

Bub, would you mind providing a read of the players left in the game please. Your reconsideration of kid A based solely on his NTP push as well as calling smudger town simply because he hammered seems far too basic. And the confidence you argued with day 1 suggests simplistic theory like that is beyond you.

Lets kick this day phase into a bit of life.

Om is prob town as I said before for his reasoned out attack on NTP throughout.

Smudger's hammer doesn't look like a bus hammer. The reason I said it was scummy was because I thought that NTP was town. Right now I'm leaning town on smudger.

Generic was right throughout D-1 and is likely town for posts like this one.

I mainly thought Kid A was scum because of his push on NTP. Given that NTP is scum, that makes him look townier.

Cowbells is my number 1 scum read. Early in the day he made an easy jump onto the early NTP wagon. Later, however, he sided with me in trying to desperately defend NTP, and now is trying to set me up as the fall guy. Of course, if I called anybody scum for desperately defending NTP, then I would be a massive hypocrite. I'm not calling her scum based off of that. I'm calling her scum because of what I perceive to be an early buss onto NTP and then an easy wagon jump onto me today.

[yessiree]

But Bub, you're doing the same thing Cowbells is doing right now - you're voting for him too

that means what you've just said about Cowbells can be turned against you as well

[Alabaska J]

Furthermore, I read a lot of the case against NTP as simply confusion over the hydra. Of course, I was wrong.

this was only true from generic. not anyone else, i believe.

[Generic]

And that was early in the game, my first encounter with the hydra setup.

What NTP then did was try to invalidate arguements with that as the excuse, when it simply wasnt true.

[N]

Prodding TMTOLBTWNTOF

[N]

Prodding Om of the Nom

[Om of the Nom]

I have nothing to really say right now except lynch Bub please.

[N]

Prodding Mutleyddmc

[Alabaska J]

I have nothing to really say right now except lynch Bub please.

who is your number 2 scumread?

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

What's Bub's interaction with NTP?

[Generic]

Well he takes issue with cowbells voting NTP in post 51,

At post 59 calls NTP the towniest player.

215 attacks me for finally voting and it being for NTP.

435 he doesn't want NTP to claim...

Not a single direct interaction. Not uncommon on day 1, but considering he spent a lot if time defending NTP, the fact he never directly addressed a single NTP post or spoke to NTP directly is,,, rather telling.

vote bub bidderskins

That's L-1 guys, so be very aware of the next vote being the hammer. Intent only for now.

You did provide a few reads, but what doesn't fit is you went for kid A based on cowbells case, having up to that point simply been defending NTP. You never engage with NTP but defend him the whole way. Day 2 you played it wry quiet and uninvolved, and when pushed still keep comments tight or positive.
You OMGUS vote cowbells, the same person you jumped on the cost tails of day 1 against kid A.

Far too much doesn't sit right. So you are going to have to claim at this point I feel.

[TMTOLBTWNTOF]

Well he takes issue with cowbells voting NTP in post 51,

At post 59 calls NTP the towniest player.

215 attacks me for finally voting and it being for NTP.

435 he doesn't want NTP to claim...

Not a single direct interaction. Not uncommon on day 1, but considering he spent a lot if time defending NTP, the fact he never directly addressed a single NTP post or spoke to NTP directly is,,, rather telling.

vote bub bidderskins

That's L-1 guys, so be very aware of the next vote being the hammer. Intent only for now.

You did provide a few reads, but what doesn't fit is you went for kid A based on cowbells case, having up to that point simply been defending NTP. You never engage with NTP but defend him the whole way. Day 2 you played it wry quiet and uninvolved, and when pushed still keep comments tight or positive.
You OMGUS vote cowbells, the same person you jumped on the cost tails of day 1 against kid A.

Far too much doesn't sit right. So you are going to have to claim at this point I feel.

Hmm. I want Bub to speak, but intent.

[Mutleyddmc]

VOTE: bub bidderskins

Cos prod dodge

[Kid A]

VOTE: bub bidderskins

Cos prod dodge

good work mutleyddmc

[Mutleyddmc]

I know right.

[Kid A]

you are aware you hammered a guy who didnt even get to claim rite

[Mutleyddmc]

Say what?