Mini 277 - Webcomic Mafia - Game Over!

[Thok]

Oh I agree with you there, my list of webcomics is just as long (in fact, I have 11 too). But I don't think all of them will necessarily be represented in the roles.

You

only

read 11 webcomics? Heck, I assume there are some webcomics that Aelyn reads that aren't on the game list. For example, I assume Aelyn reads El Goonish Shive (at the very least, given that he's a fan of Abstract Gender and Misfile he should take a look at El Goonish Shive).

Also, given bertrand's unvotes, could we have a vote count?

[bertrand]

Don't worry about my unvotes, I never actually voted anyone.

I remember reading EGS (the entire archive) a couple years back and I don't remember what it's about.

vote no lynch, unvote

[TSAGod]

I beat Fuldu!

It's a good thing, because

my

third victory condition is not to be the last person to post in a day. Ever.

Yes, because being involved in the all-important "random voting" portion of the day is valuable, nay, vital to the health of the game.

Dude. That sarcasm is worthless. Did you see my third victory condition?

um...yeah.

[Fuldu]

I beat Fuldu!

It's a good thing, because

my

third victory condition is not to be the last person to post in a day. Ever.

Yes, because being involved in the all-important "random voting" portion of the day is valuable, nay, vital to the health of the game.

Dude. That sarcasm is worthless. Did you see my third victory condition?

um...yeah.

Oh, it wasn't worthless sarcasm. I guess I should have mentioned that my third victory condition is to convince scummers that there are better ways to start the day than random voting.

In this particular case, for example, it's bertrand's non-random votes, invariably followed by an unvote, that have piqued my interest. Either he's got some sort of trigger, a minor victory condition that I can't even really see the point of, or is trying to fake something. In any event, I'm happy to apply pressure, because if there isn't a point to it, I'd like him to stop.

vote: bertrand

[dierdraphoenix]

You

only

read 11 webcomics? Heck, I assume there are some webcomics that Aelyn reads that aren't on the game list. For example, I assume Aelyn reads El Goonish Shive (at the very least, given that he's a fan of Abstract Gender and Misfile he should take a look at El Goonish Shive).

Also, given bertrand's unvotes, could we have a vote count?

I only read penny arcade. haha.

and some of the stuff off of teamspecialolympics.com...

anyway, a vote count sounds good to me.

[bertrand]

In this particular case, for example, it's bertrand's non-random votes, invariably followed by an unvote, that have piqued my interest. Either he's got some sort of trigger, a minor victory condition that I can't even really see the point of, or is trying to fake something. In any event, I'm happy to apply pressure, because if there isn't a point to it, I'd like him to stop.

vote: bertrand

• The votes are random
  
• The Immediate unvote is to
  • A: Show it's a joke
    
  • B: Not leawve on a pointless vote
• Please note that you should not take me seriously at this point of the game.
  
• I'll let you know when to take me seriously
  
• The list tag rules!

[Akonas]

I think that early random votes/bandwagons are a great way to get people talking day one. That's the point- so you don't end up with a bunch of people being bored and not knowing what to post.

[Pie_is_good]

Oh, sure. I'm all for random voting/bandwagoning.

UNVOTE, RANDOM BANDWAGON VOTE: BERTRAND

We have to get things moving at some point or another.

[Tyfo]

Oh, sure. I'm all for random voting/bandwagoning.

UNVOTE, RANDOM BANDWAGON VOTE: BERTRAND

We have to get things moving at some point or another.

I don't like the way this is going ...

Vote: Pie_is_good

[dierdraphoenix]

okay, I need to learn to NOT read the thread right after waking up. because this:

Oh, sure. I'm all for random voting/bandwagoning.

UNVOTE, RANDOM BANDWAGON VOTE: BERTRAND

We have to get things moving at some point or another.

made my brain explode. Haha.


Anyway...Random bandwagon vote? Not too sure I like where that's going...

FOS: Pie

[bertrand]

Why the useless bandwagon on me? Random bandwagons are only good for scum.

FoS Pie

He's got enough votes.

[Aelyn]

The Author creates a little box in front of all of you. You strain to see what caption will be featured…

Vote Count:

Nemesis - 2 (Adele, Akonas)
Pie is Good - 2 (Nemesis, Tyfo)
Thok - 1 (Vitamin R)
Diedraphoenix - 1 (Thok)
Bertrand - 3 (StevieT92, Fuldu, Pie is Good)
Fuldu - 1 (Diedraphoenix)

Not voting:
Bertrand, TSAGod

If there is any error here, feel free to let me know!

[TSAGod]

vote Tyfo

Random bandwagoning is the only way to get a game started, unless there's some sort of stupid scum. Seeing how people will act is the entire point, so why vote over it.

[Pie_is_good]

FOS: everyone who flipped out over my bandwagon vote.

All I was doing was randomvoting for someone, just like the rest of you. I just "random"voted for someone who already had a few votes.

You random vote people because you say that it's good for getting the game moving. Then I - the horror - use it to get the game moving!

Given that bertrand was among the flippers, vote stays.

[Adele]

FOS: everyone who flipped out over my bandwagon vote.

Yeah, I don't think it's any big deal. Adding to it would be a bit much (so I won't), but the third vote in a seven-to-lynch day is really nothing to freak out over. Or OMGUS, or FOS. In fact, if you don't like it, I reckon the best way to kill it stone dead is to roll your eyes and ignore it.

[Akonas]

Hmmm.. I think I'll

vote: Pie is Good

to see how he responds, and because, as he said, "I'm all for random voting/bandwagoning."

[bertrand]

FOS: everyone who flipped out over my bandwagon vote.

All I was doing was randomvoting for someone, just like the rest of you. I just "random"voted for someone who already had a few votes.

You random vote people because you say that it's good for getting the game moving. Then I - the horror - use it to get the game moving!

Given that bertrand was among the flippers, vote stays.

vote pie_is_good

Not a satisfying response.

I AM NOT A FLIPPER. I never made a vote in this game where I didn't unvote in THE SAME POST.

Random VOTING is good to get the game going. Random BANDWAGONING is not.

Voting for someone with already a few votes is BANDWAGONING.

[TSAGod]

Good job people on the pie is good bandwagon.

Actually, this is mostly Akonas, because your vote is not random. It is for pie for voting for somebody with votes.

We have yet to get halfway to a lynch. That's not bandwagoning right now.

[Pie_is_good]

Random VOTING is good to get the game going. Random BANDWAGONING is not.

au contraire

Are you denying that what I did has failed to get the game moving?

Let's review bert's post:

Why the useless bandwagon on me? Random bandwagons are only good for scum. FoS Pie

He's got enough votes.

Ignoring for now the basic scum tell of accusations without votes, I consider this to be among the category of "flipping out." "Oh my god, there's a 3-vote 'useless' bandwagon on me. The guy who bandwagonned is therefore scum, but I refuse to vote him because I don't like lynching scum."

...and if this post isn't flipping out, I don't know

what

your other post was.


Bertrand, what did I say between my randombandwagon post and my next post that turned your FoS to a vote? All I did was FoS the people who flilpped out over my post, then you vote me because I included you in the "flippers," as the term now goes.

Let's ignore a moment who's right and wrong. Just look at it this way: I made a judgement call. Regardless of alignment, I would have judged that one the same way. So, unless disagreeing with you is a scum tell, really there was

no aditional reason to change your FoS to a vote

.

My Thoughts. Besides, it should be over soon-- the bandwagon is no longer random due to strange actions resulting from a small bandwagon.

-Pie

[Nemesis]

Random vote: Nemisis

for ummm...being last.

Um, not exactly random was that? Second vote on me very soon.

And Nemesis, I hereby challene you to a Duel. As a 3rd win condition for each of us, we must be closer to the middle of our respective lists (of alive/dead) at the end of the game than the other person.

Sure, good luck.

Good job people on the pie is good bandwagon.

Why good job? Why if you like the bandwagon so much are you voting for someone with 0 other votes?

In fact the whole post doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Good job people on the pie is good bandwagon.
Actually, this is mostly Akonas, because your vote is not random. It is for pie for voting for somebody with votes.
We have yet to get halfway to a lynch. That's not bandwagoning right now.

A couple of small things, the first I've mentioned, The second is you praise Akonas for doing exactly what Pie did... The only difference is the momentum is now against Pie when before there was hardly any momentum.

Unvote. Vote TSAGod.

It's so early that a post that that sticks out a lot more than adding a vote that wasn't intended to make a difference, the vote was an early thing to get the discussion going and everyone just overreacted... Now you are in favour of the new bandwagon which you havn't voted on and praise someone for doing the exact same thing someone is being bandwagoned for.

[Aelyn]

Heck, I assume there are some webcomics that Aelyn reads that aren't on the game list. For example, I assume Aelyn reads El Goonish Shive

My thanks for the recommendation.

*continues reading archives*

[bertrand]

Random VOTING is good to get the game going. Random BANDWAGONING is not.

au contraire

Are you denying that what I did has failed to get the game moving?

It gets the game going, fine, but it isn't good.

Let's review bert's post:

Why the useless bandwagon on me? Random bandwagons are only good for scum. FoS Pie

He's got enough votes.

Ignoring for now the basic scum tell of accusations without votes, I consider this to be among the category of "flipping out." "Oh my god, there's a 3-vote 'useless' bandwagon on me. The guy who bandwagonned is therefore scum, but I refuse to vote him because I don't like lynching scum."

I voted later, I wanted to see your reaction before voting. Then your reaction looked even more scummy, so i did.

...and if this post isn't flipping out, I don't know

what

your other post was.


Bertrand, what did I say between my randombandwagon post and my next post that turned your FoS to a vote? All I did was FoS the people who flilpped out over my post, then you vote me because I included you in the "flippers," as the term now goes.

You made a bad explanation, used CrapLogic, and misrepresented the situation. Need more?

Let's ignore a moment who's right and wrong. Just look at it this way: I made a judgement call. Regardless of alignment, I would have judged that one the same way. So, unless disagreeing with you is a scum tell, really there was

no aditional reason to change your FoS to a vote

.

There was the craplogic and misrepresentaion of the situation.

My Thoughts. Besides, it should be over soon-- the bandwagon is no longer random due to strange actions resulting from a small bandwagon.

The one on you isn't, anyway.

-Pie

Ahh, the only part of the post that makes sense.

~Bert

[Pie_is_good]

It gets the game going, fine, but it isn't good.

Really? Could you then tell me what random voting does to get the game going in a "good" way? While you're at it, could you give some reasons?

I voted later, I wanted to see your reaction before voting. Then your reaction looked even more scummy, so i did.

Let's back up a minute. This was your post in question:

Why the useless bandwagon on me? Random bandwagons are only good for scum.

FoS Pie

He's got enough votes.

You said

very

clearly that the FoS was because I "had enough votes." Now you're saying the FoS was because you wanted to see my response. H'm.

Also, you said that my reaction looked even more scummy.

How?

Just calling me scummy will get you nowhere fast with a remotely competent town. You need reasons. Please don't make me ask this again.

You made a bad explanation, used CrapLogic, and misrepresented the situation. Need more?

For your viewing pleasure, the post in question is this one:

FOS: everyone who flipped out over my bandwagon vote.

All I was doing was randomvoting for someone, just like the rest of you. I just "random"voted for someone who already had a few votes.

You random vote people because you say that it's good for getting the game moving. Then I - the horror - use it to get the game moving!

Given that bertrand was among the flippers, vote stays.

From what I can decipher (there's a little guesswork here, as bertrand wasn't terribly clear about specifics), the "bad explanation" was that part about randomvoting for someone, just like the rest of you (I say that because it's the only part where I really explained anything). Now, I'm not sure what's "bad" about that, but I can say with a certain degree of confidence that everything in there is true. It seems relatively factual.

I'll also guess that the CrapLogic was the part about using the randomvote to get the game going. So, let's look at it logically: I made two statements that implied a third.

Statement 1

:

You random vote people because you say that it's good for getting the game moving

. That's pretty much the widely accepted view. Tossing votes around early is inducive of game action. That's why people do it. Do you disagree there?

Statement 2

:

Then I - the horror - use it to get the game moving!

That was the intended purpose of the vote, which I have stated many times. To stimulate action, which I, indeed, did.

Statement 3

:

Therefore, voting me because I used my randomvote to get the game moving is hypocritical, and therefore, bad.

This statement was implied by the first two sentences. It's the obvious logical continuation. Soo... I'm not sure what you're calling craplogic, but it all seems pretty airtight to me.

Now, finally, I'll venture to say that "misrepresenting the situation" was calling Bertrand a flipper. I was defining "flippers" as people who FoSed me, attacked the random bandwagon, or otherwise took the randomvoting as significantly different from other random voting. Anyways, given that there's no concrete definition of a "flipper" out there, it's not really misrepresenting any situations.

Well, there you go. I analysed my post based on your three accusations. If that's not good enough, then yes, I need more. Please let me know what you were thinking on this one.

There was the craplogic and misrepresentaion of the situation.The one on you isn't, anyway.

No, there really wasn't. You're just trying to write it off as "craplogic" and "misrepresentation" without providing reasons.


...and I'll choose to ignore the (funny? ad hominem? sarcastic?) one-liner at the end of the post.

-Pie

[Thok]

It seems to me that the people flipping out over Pie's vote seem to be relatively inexperienced. I think they are wrong for to be voting for Pie, but it's unclear that they are scummy.

However, I agree that the TSAGod post that Nemesis quoted is actively scummy.

unvote, vote TSAGod

[TSAGod]

Good job people on the pie is good bandwagon.

Why good job? Why if you like the bandwagon so much are you voting for someone with 0 other votes?

In fact the whole post doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Good job people on the pie is good bandwagon.
Actually, this is mostly Akonas, because your vote is not random. It is for pie for voting for somebody with votes.
We have yet to get halfway to a lynch. That's not bandwagoning right now.

A couple of small things, the first I've mentioned, The second is you praise Akonas for doing exactly what Pie did... The only difference is the momentum is now against Pie when before there was hardly any momentum.

Unvote. Vote TSAGod.

It's so early that a post that that sticks out a lot more than adding a vote that wasn't intended to make a difference, the vote was an early thing to get the discussion going and everyone just overreacted... Now you are in favour of the new bandwagon which you havn't voted on and praise someone for doing the exact same thing someone is being bandwagoned for.

Your sarcasm detector is broken.

It seems to me that the people flipping out over Pie's vote seem to be relatively inexperienced. I think they are wrong for to be voting for Pie, but it's unclear that they are scummy.

However, I agree that the TSAGod post that Nemesis quoted is actively scummy.

unvote, vote TSAGod

See previous statement.

If you read my posts, they all are against the people voting for pie is good. If you read my post, it obviously has horrible logic. I'll have to use [sarcasm][/sarcasm] tags from now on. [sarcasm]Thanks a lot.[/sarcasm]