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Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:53 am
by Cephrir
I always like it when someone votes a player that isn't generally suspected at all. If Nacho had come in voting Red Ryu I would have been more willing to lynch him.

I have to admit, Mollie's posts are depressingly town. B&B, are you are you didn't get two separate role PMs?

Unvote
for now, but I'll probably be back eventually. Not too interested in anyone who actually has votes right now except possibly AA9. Need to look back, there are a couple players I'm considering.

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:55 am
by Om the Destroyer
In post 1274, Nero Cain wrote:AK shouldn't even sniff a town read unless you're going for the too dumb to be scum tell. Her and B&TB and Ed...just get rid of that whole very very likely town group and stick em in the "prob town group"
Om refuses to let me scumread AK. He keeps saying Mala's town based on meta.

~ :dead:

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 2:56 am
by Om the Destroyer
In post 1273, Slandaar wrote:Town:
Bacde
AK
ArcAngel
Nero
CTD
Om/HD

Very Very Likely town:
B&tB
Eddie
Ryu
Mac

Probably town
Sean
Syry

Scum to varying degrees:
Nacho/Thor/Fuzzy/Ceph/Bulba
Switch Thor and Ryu, switch Ceph and Syry, knock Fuzzy off the entire list, and then we're getting somewhere.

~ :dead:

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 3:05 am
by Slandaar
Mala is town based on Meta its how I read that slot also.

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 3:34 am
by Nachomamma8
In post 1271, Slandaar wrote:I gave you a chance to show you are town if you were; my case doesn't weaken if I leave it for a while during which time I can see how you act which would perhaps add to the case or perhaps I would decide you were town who just radically changed their views in such a short period (very unlikely but it wasn't impossible)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=26864
This got me thinking about a lot of game theory points, and my opinions have changed quite a bit. Pushing as hard as I did for massclaim also had the added bonus of getting reactions to the idea of massclaim, and forcing Oversoul to either out as gambit or make up some more things before he was comfortable doing so was a large advantage for me.
In post 1271, Slandaar wrote:Which of your posting is better than mine? Enlighten me.
My posting which talks about more than one person, mostly.

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 3:49 am
by Oversoul
Did you think it was a gambit from the start Nacho?

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 3:53 am
by Nachomamma8
Yes.

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 3:57 am
by Oversoul
Why?

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:07 am
by Nachomamma8
Because your "information" wouldn't have any significant effect on the game, so it made no sense to add from a setup spec POV.

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:12 am
by Bacde
In post 1283, Nachomamma8 wrote:Because your "information" wouldn't have any significant effect on the game, so it made no sense to add from a setup spec POV.
If you thought OS was lying, why were you so intent on forcing him to out that he was lying?

Would it have been impossible for him to make this gambit as town?

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:14 am
by mastin2
<<< Mac has requested replacement.
Rondar needs to be replaced.
ActionDan has not posted since his prod, and therefore needs to be replaced.

Syryana is V/LA until Wednesday. >>>


(On the bright side, at least I have a long replacement list!)

This will become a better votecount as soon as I've caught up.

Votecount 25
:
(
AKA, the "Weekends suck" votecount
)


Nachomamma8 - 7 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty, Slandaar, Desperado, EddieFenix)

Red Ryu - 5 (Oversoul, Thor665, Mac, Bulbazak, Syryana)

Bulbazak - 2 (Om the Destroyer, fuzzybutternut)
Cephrir - 2 (BeautyAndTheBeast, Baby Spice)
DLG - 1 (CrashTextDummie)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)
Desperado - 1 (Nachomamma8)

Not Voting - 5 (Seanald, ActionDan, Rondar, ArcAngel9, Cephrir)

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount
Nachomamma8 - 7 (Red Ryu, Bacde, Nero Cain, Amethyst Kitty, Slandaar, Desperado, EddieFenix)
Red Ryu - 5 (Oversoul, Thor665, Mac, Bulbazak, Syryana)
Bulbazak - 2 (Om the Destroyer, fuzzybutternut)
Cephrir - 2 (BeautyAndTheBeast, Baby Spice)
DLG - 1 (CrashTextDummie)
Oversoul - 1 (Nachomamma8)
BeautyAndTheBeast - 0 (
Cephrir
)
ArcAngel9 - 1 (DLG)

Not Voting - 5 (Seanald, ActionDan, Rondar, ArcAngel9,
Cephrir
)

Spoiler: Player Vote History
Mac: Red Ryu
CrashTextDummie: Oversoul->DLG
Cephrir: Oversoul->BeautyAndTheBeast->Unvote
Nachomamma8: Oversoul->Desperado
DLG: ArcAngel9
Nero Cain: Oversoul->EddieFenix->Oversoul->Nachomamma8
Bacde: Nachomamma8->BeautyAndTheBeast->EddieFenix->Nachomamma8
EddieFenix: BeautyAndTheBeast->Bulbazak->Nachomamma8
Bulbazak: Oversoul->Om the Destroyer->Red Ryu
Thor665: Red Ryu
Red Ryu: Nachomamma8
Syryana: Red Ryu
Desperado: DLG->Nachomamma8
Baby Spice: Red Ryu->Cephrir
Slandaar: Nachomamma8
Oversoul: Red Ryu
Seanald:
ActionDan:
fuzzybutternut: Oversoul->Cephrir->Bulbazak
Rondar:
Amethyst Kitty: Nachomamma8
BeautyAndTheBeast: Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Unvote->Cephrir->Nachomamma8->Unvote->Cephrir
Om the Destroyer: Red Ryu->BeautyAndTheBeast->Bulbazak
ArcAngel9:

Spoiler: Voting History
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 12:43p,
Oversoul
votes
Red Ryu
in post 202.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 12:47p,
Nachomamma8
votes
Oversoul
in post 206.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 01:08p,
CrashTextDummie
votes
Oversoul
in post 211.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 01:32p,
Nero Cain
votes
Oversoul
in post 218.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 01:37p,
Cephrir
votes
Oversoul
in post 219.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 02:45p,
Bulbazak
votes
Oversoul
in post 237.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 02:56p,
Om the Destroyer
votes
Red Ryu
in post 250.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 04:58p,
BeautyAndTheBeast
votes
Cephrir
in post 301.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 05:38p,
Om the Destroyer
unvotes
Red Ryu
and votes
BeautyAndTheBeast
in post 323.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 05:42p,
Cephrir
unvotes
Oversoul
and votes
BeautyAndTheBeast
in post 327.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 07:04p,
fuzzybutternut
votes
Oversoul
in post 361.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 07:42p,
Bacde
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 388.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 08:14p,
Bacde
votes
BeautyAndTheBeast
in post 406.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 08:36p,
fuzzybutternut
votes
Cephrir
in post 414.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 08:43p,
EddieFenix
votes
BeautyAndTheBeast
in post 415.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 08:58p,
Nero Cain
votes
EddieFenix
in post 418.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 09:08p,
Red Ryu
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 423.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 09:13p,
Bacde
votes
EddieFenix
in post 427.
On Mon, May 5/06/13 @ 09:55p,
Nero Cain
votes
Oversoul
in post 564.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 09:23a,
DLG
votes
ArcAngel9
in post 494.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 06:14p,
Bacde
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 587.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 08:41p,
Thor665
votes
Red Ryu
in post 600.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 09:12p,
Nero Cain
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 614.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 09:26p,
BeautyAndTheBeast
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 620.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 09:43p,
Amethyst Kitty
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 626.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 10:19p,
BeautyAndTheBeast
unvotes
Nachomamma8
in post 631.
On Tue, May 5/07/13 @ 11:09p,
BeautyAndTheBeast
votes
Cephrir
in post 637.
On Wed, May 5/08/13 @ 00:46a,
Om the Destroyer
votes
Bulbazak
in post 654.
On Wed, May 5/08/13 @ 00:58a,
Bulbazak
votes
Om the destroyer
in post 657.
On Wed, May 5/08/13 @ 04:56p,
fuzzybutternut
votes
Bulbazak
in post 734.
On Wed, May 5/08/13 @ 05:57p,
Baby Spice
votes
Red Ryu
in post 749.
On Wed, May 5/08/13 @ 07:02p,
Desperado
votes
DLG
in post 765.
On Thu, May 5/09/13 @ 12:31p,
BeautyAndTheBeast
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 875.
On Thu, May 5/09/13 @ 01:12p,
EddieFenix
unvotes
BeautyAndTheBeast
and votes
Bulbazak
in post 885.
On Thu, May 5/09/13 @ 04:33p,
Mac
votes
Red Ryu
in post 915.
On Thu, May 5/09/13 @ 07:49p,
Bulbazak
unvotes
Om the Destroyer
and votes
Red Ryu
in post 938.
On Fri, May 5/10/13 @ 00:27p,
CrashTextDummie
votes
DLG
in post 958.
On Fri, May 5/10/13 @ 05:39p,
Syryana
votes
Red Ryu
in post 968.
On Fri, May 5/10/13 @ 02:25p,
Slandaar
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 1008.
On Sat, May 5/11/13 @ 11:55a,
Desperado
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 1102.
On Sat, May 5/11/13 @ 03:15p,
EddieFenix
votes
Nachomamma8
in post 1123.
On Sat, May 5/11/13 @ 09:47p,
BeautyAndTheBeast
unvotes
Nachomamma8
in post 1186.
On Sun, May 5/12/13 @ 06:19a,
BeautyAndTheBeast
votes
Cephrir
in post 1196.
On Sun, May 5/12/13 @ 06:45a,
Baby Spice
votes
Cephrir
in post 1197.
On Mon, May 5/13/13 @ 00:47a,
Nachomamma8
votes
Desperado
in post 1265.
On Mon, May 5/13/13 @ 07:53a,
Cephrir
unvotes
BeautyAndTheBeast
in post 1275.

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:24 am
by Bacde
@Nacho what is your read on Slandaar?

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:32 am
by Nachomamma8
In post 1284, Bacde wrote:
In post 1283, Nachomamma8 wrote:Because your "information" wouldn't have any significant effect on the game, so it made no sense to add from a setup spec POV.
If you thought OS was lying, why were you so intent on forcing him to out that he was lying?

Would it have been impossible for him to make this gambit as town?
No, but the gambit was useless as town and so it was more useful to push him to reveal that he was lying and make him feel uncomfortable while he was doing it.
In post 1286, Bacde wrote:@Nacho what is your read on Slandaar?
Scum, but not confident whatsoever in the read at all.

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:38 am
by Bacde
In post 1273, Slandaar wrote:Town:
Bacde
AK
ArcAngel
Nero
CTD
Om/HD

Very Very Likely town:
B&tB
Eddie
Ryu
Mac

Probably town
Sean
Syry

Scum to varying degrees:
Nacho/Thor/Fuzzy/Ceph/Bulba
That scumteam doesn't feel right to me at all

honestly it feels lazy to me

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:38 am
by EddieFenix
Unvote


So, Nacho comes in and starts posting up. So, I'll back down for now. Oversoul, catch me up on this post please.
In post 1083, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 1077, Oversoul wrote:
In post 1074, EddieFenix wrote:So, my next question is, why was there not a whole lot of change in your reads from pre-gambit reveal to post-gambit reveal? Was it because the players attitude stayed the same? Their play style stayed the same? What...?
I haven't given my full reads yet impart because I want to see people's responses to various things.
What "various things" are you talking about in specific?
OverSoul wrote:Plus I am still fleshing stuff out.
Elaborate on this.
Oversoul wrote:If you mean my town reads/scum reads on those players I just mentioned it does boil down to their reactions were something I more or less suspected and didn't really change much of my perspective on them.
Ok... Walk me through your PRE-reveal thoughts and reactions from those who rejected it and those who supported it. Those who you might be waiting on to respond, you can react as they come in and catch up.

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:39 am
by Bacde
In post 1272, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 1266, Bacde wrote:^^purposely written to make you not want to read it

shallow, and pedantic

lynch this
Seriously? It's not really that long, and he broke them up into several posts for your convenience. If you are having problems reading that, then you have bigger problems than your inability to play mafia well.
In post 1271, Slandaar wrote: Which of your posting is better than mine? Enlighten me.
That's extremely defensive. It betrays a lack of desire to scumhunt or further discussion. What are your thoughts on Nacho's reads, other than yourself?
Uh, I actually read it. That doesn't mean that it wasn't purposely posted to be gobbeldy-gook that is annoying to read to a townie

its something that nacho does as scum

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:41 am
by Nachomamma8
And sometimes as town when my thoughts aren't pretty.

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:41 am
by Bacde
In post 1287, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 1284, Bacde wrote:
In post 1283, Nachomamma8 wrote:Because your "information" wouldn't have any significant effect on the game, so it made no sense to add from a setup spec POV.
If you thought OS was lying, why were you so intent on forcing him to out that he was lying?

Would it have been impossible for him to make this gambit as town?
No, but the gambit was useless as town and so it was more useful to push him to reveal that he was lying and make him feel uncomfortable while he was doing it.
In post 1286, Bacde wrote:@Nacho what is your read on Slandaar?
Scum, but not confident whatsoever in the read at all.
So you never actually wanted a massclaim? It was just something you were pushing to pressure OS?

Also, why did you lie about having a "keyword" or something in your post

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:42 am
by Bacde
In post 1291, Nachomamma8 wrote:And sometimes as town when my thoughts aren't pretty.
I'm glad that you are responding to me specifically now

we can build from this


Who are your top 3 scumreads?

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:43 am
by Nachomamma8
In post 1292, Bacde wrote:So you never actually wanted a massclaim? It was just something you were pushing to pressure OS?

Also, why did you lie about having a "keyword" or something in your post
No, I wanted to massclaim, but the pressure was a nice bonus.
I lied about having a keyword in my post so I could make sure you actually read it. Not that I don't trust you, but, you know.

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:44 am
by Nachomamma8
Desperado, DLG, Baby Spice.

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:46 am
by Cephrir
Posting a bunch of reads with detailed reasons is not scummy. It is, in fact, the opposite of scummy, unless the reasons are bad.

Could someone expand on this AA9 meta stuff? Or are we gonna do the hush hush I need this info to be secret for other games thing?

Want to see more from Baby Spice, Syry, Macslot, Fuzzy. A little suspicious of all of them.

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:48 am
by Nero Cain
Mac is getting replaced

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:49 am
by Bacde
In post 1295, Nachomamma8 wrote:Desperado, DLG, Baby Spice.
convince me about baby spice

Posted: Mon May 13, 2013 4:49 am
by Nachomamma8
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25367

Meta her yourself. You'll see things a lot more clearly if you do that instead of having someone try to explain it for you.
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