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Say you end up with 6 players in a day. 3 of them are mafia, the other 3 are town-folk, with 1 of them being a delayed death vigilante and the other a doctor. Now, the town has a very slight shot of winning if they can reach night. But the scum might as well not cooperate, forever extending the day. Would this be a draw? Or would it be alright for a deadline to be placed if they can't agree on anything?

Deadline and no lynch (some mods might consider the first to three lynched).

Yeah, some mods go by time stamp; that is, if person X has 3 votes on them first, they get lynched at deadline.

But some mods, such as DP (I've adopted this rule) say thta in the endgame (which is defined as 6 players or less) only normal lynching can work.

some players(me) have adopted a rule in which no lynch occurs if standard lynch can not occur with all the players currently not voting no lynch.
(basically this means with an odd number it'd be the same but with even it'd be 1 less to no lynch)

According to my rules, I'd set a deadline, and the deadline lynch would still require a regular majority. So in this case, the deadline would result in no-lynch.

What DP said. In reality, day wouldn't last forever.

And further, I think basing lynches on which one got to a number first is silly and bad for the game.

As a mod, I avoid any situation where a deadline could result in an insta-win for scum. The tradeoff of revealing that we ARE at lynch-or-lose is worth it for the sake of the game, in my world. You'll never see a reduced majority in a Newbie D3, for example.

Also, your situation seems kind of contrived. It would work just as well with a regular vigilante, wouldn't it?

Well really, it depends on the win condition.

1) Mafia win condition: Reduce all enemy factions down to your own living population/You win when you match or outnumber the Pro-Town players.
In this case, if it was 3 mafia vs 3 town = Mafia win.
=> In small games (fewer than 5 mafia), I'd say this win condition is appropriate. As usually, only one mafia would have died (assuming they start of with 4) or no mafia would have died (assuming they start of with 3). In which case, it would be a deserved victory.

2) Mafia win condition: Reduce all enemy factions down to your own total population.
In this case, lets say there were 5 mafia members in total.
1 mafia vs 5 town = Mafia win.

3) Mafia win condition: You win when you eliminate all the Pro-Town players/ You win when there is no possible way Pro-Town players can win the game or no way mafia can lose the game.
=> This is what I usually do for games where I include 5 or more mafia, however ONLY if mafia have 2 or more kills. If they have 1 kill only, then you should do 2).

3) Mafia win condition: You win when you outnumber the Pro-Town players/ when you control the lynch.
In this case, we are discussing what happens when a vote is tied for lynch. This doesn't just have to be during the end of the game, any tie throughout the game this applies to and you should always make it clear in your rules, what will occur in case of ties.

Solutions to a lynch tie:
1) RNG (Random Number Generator) / Flip a coin etc...
2) First to reach X votes, ends the day phase.
3) All candidates tied are killed.
4) No lynch occurs.
5) If more than one tie, then no one is lynched. If there is just one tie between 2 players, then both are killed.
-> I usually do either 4 or 5. Games with fewer than 5 mafia members (or fewer than 13 players), I'd say No lynch occurs. Games with 5 or more mafia (usually 20+ games). I'd do number 5.

you do realise what necromancy is, correct?

In post 5, Dragon Phoenix wrote:According to my rules, I'd set a deadline, and the deadline lynch would still require a regular majority. So in this case, the deadline would result in no-lynch.

@shiryu
As a mod you should have this particular interaction already planned out so that you don't have to ask other members of the forum about it.

In post 9, eyestott wrote:you do realise what necromancy is, correct?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=9791
The commonly asked questions sticky thread, led to this thread to discuss.

I doubt it really matters whether or not we 'necromancy it', as all discussion about a topic (as important as this), should be discussed in one place IMO.
Easier to reference.

i mean that FAQ is hopelessly out of date now too.

The reason it's not a good necro is that the game has changed dramatically since this thread. The question doesn't even make sense now because almost every game comes with a deadline now, meaning that the premise is incorrect (that mafia can drag out the game indefinitely). It also uses terminology/roles that we don't typically use anymore (delayed death vigilante).

In post 12, zoraster wrote:i mean that FAQ is hopelessly out of date now too.

The reason it's not a good necro is that the game has changed dramatically since this thread. The question doesn't even make sense now because almost every game comes with a deadline now, meaning that the premise is incorrect (that mafia can drag out the game indefinitely). It also uses terminology/roles that we don't typically use anymore (delayed death vigilante).

lulz at a game with no deadline...
actually...

In post 9, eyestott wrote:you do realise what necromancy is, correct?

Can I have some chocolate plz zor