Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Legacy (Game Over)

[zabriel]

I'm willing to believe Acosmist here. Nero's criticism of the jason wagon comes off as a little funny after he just jumped off it.

That being said, it would be way too terribad if he did that as scum, so I'm going to say town here.

[jasonT1981]

I think I'd rather do a MOD meta of Pappums... I'm not sure I'm sold on the idea of a PGO. AND SOLID SNAKE????? Dudes the muthafuckin l33t assassin.... PGO??? PGO??? You're looking at a JoaT, strongarm vig... Something like that, but PGO....... doubting it tbh.

Re-reading but this sticks out to me.

Even though it is a theme game, it is not always wise to assume roles based on characters. I have seen theme games were main characters were bad guys in mafia games. Games were bad guys in shows were town in games.

Role guessing based on actual characteristics is pretty short sighted. As it is a theme game, I don't think it is wise right now trying to make any sense of things until later flips where we can anazilze things better..

but right now, I am not willing to assume a Snake claim should be a certain way in a mafia game, because that is how he is in a video game or movie franchise.

[Nero Cain]

Jason's "townslip" is null to me. I think it could go either way.

I agree with this however, unless Jason starts acting scummy I'm willing to give him town Knuts.

Nero's criticism of the jason wagon comes off as a little funny after he just jumped off it.

No. Just no. I didn't join any Jason wagon. Yes I voted Jason but that was just RVS. You earn 5 scum Sickles for trying to rewrite history.

[Yates]

@jason - Are you questioning this because your flavor doesn't match your role?

[Nero Cain]

Why are you role fishing?

[BloodCovenent]

Why are you role fishing?

flavor fishing. Glad someone else found it to be a scummy post.

[Yates]

That isn't a role fish and you know it. I never asked him for his role OR his character name. It's a simple exercise. If you are going to speculate that roles

may not

match flavor, wouldn't you check yourself before posting?

[Acosmist]

Yates: Your opinion on post 63, please.

lol - did you see me reading?

63 looks like a throw away wifom post that isn't worth commenting on [until there are too many]. I won't be sheeping Benmage any time soon, though, that's for sure.

As to your claim? I'll believe you are Town until I see play that suggests otherwise. I think claiming PGO out of the gate is good policy if you are Town and will likely get you killed prior to lylo if you are scum. I know you know this and know you would think through a fake claim based on the one time we were scum together. I hope it works out.

I wanted you to compare it to something you did as scum before. Too vague?

[Acosmist]

Could you actually give your views on it please? All you did was quote it and say your rvs vote is now a real one. and now ask for others views.

What about that post makes your RVS vote, real?
What about that post comes across as scummy?
Why did you not give any reasons as to why your rvs vote is now a real vote in your post 66?

I'll get around to it. Not right now.

[Yates]

I wanted you to compare it to something you did as scum before. Too vague?

No, I got ya. Baseline actually

was

SK in that game, though. So that was scum-preservation on my part. I feel like it's too early for Benmage to have an SK vibe on you since we have no idea what our opposition forces are yet.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Kublai Khan

Just had to be done.

I'll read now.

[PeregrineV]

I don't see where Jason town telled. I know nothing about Metal Gear Solid, so snake stuff means nothing. That don't make me town.

@Acomist-Ben kind of summed it up. Get scum to target you through exceptional town play thereby killing them, no act scummy thereby making town roles target you.

@Khan- feel like Ben is more causing discussion than anything else

@rapidcanyon- my thought is you're scum

Vote: Rapidcanyon

[Acosmist]

Why don't all scum just not act scummy?

[PeregrineV]

Why don't all scum just not act scummy?

I think you're missing the point. Whats to stop scum from claiming PGO in a game?

[Amrun]

hi sorry, catch up later

[Benmage]

Whewwwwwwwww boy, my RVS vote is now a real vote.

I don't see the issue here. Yes I'm being talkative. Its early, there's not much to talk about. I hate vagueness like this post of yours. Explain to me your problem with this post or me, as if I were a 5 year old.

Nice: post 73

I won't be sheeping Benmage any time soon, though, that's for sure.

You should reconsider... who else could you possibly have as a better town read than me?

I'll get around to it. Not right now.

... Letsa...Lets make this a priority please. That's how games progress.

Why don't all scum just not act scummy?

I think you're missing the point. Whats to stop scum from claiming PGO in a game?

TY.

-Amrun, just sheep me .

[Yates]

Whats to stop scum from claiming PGO in a game?

Nothing. BUT - best case scenario you know you are signing up to be killed in LYLO. Also, as others have pointed out, if you play scummy the Town has no reason to wait until LYLO. So you basically paint a target on your back and have everyone paying attention to every one of your posts looking for reasons to get rid of you so you have to play Townie McTownerson. As scum, this is a pretty big gamble. Plus, Acosmist claimed right out of the shoot so he also risked the "real PGO" counter claiming. I realize PGO doesn't occur with that much regularity, but it happens enough that it was a risk. These are just some of the reasons I believe his claim.

Also, playing over the top obv Town as PGO could lead to death of a Doctor or BG or Cop or Investigator or... I don't know if historically it plays out this way but I suspect that non-claiming PGO's likely kill more Town than Scum by not claiming specifically because I think there are more chances of Town visiting you than scum. But that's just a guess. I would personally claim in my first post if I were PGO.

PE: That would be sheeping you not him, right? I don't understand. Who's the shepherd?

[Benmage]

Oh did you mean you won't be sheeping, and voting me?

-Anyways on the PGO thing. Yes In a large theme game like this I would claim PGO as well. That said, as a badass risky scum maneuver (which sometimes ya gotta do) claiming PGO is almost the next evolution of the fakeclaim opening Miller claim. KK did it with success, as did Faraday's(partner under his guidance). Don't know who else or how many failures, but that's irrelevant. To take a subpar partner and give them such a fakeclaim can push them further endgame than the may have. Why auto lynch lylo? And as I was saying. People are onto the Miller fakeclaim. People will analyze and not write that off because people have used it before. I know of no incidents of fake PGO claims. But a PGO claim doesn't just ward off cops like Miller claims. It wards off every single PR out there, (and says scum will never NK me).

Anyways I'm sure this point is made now... Bordem is boring.

[Benmage]

@zabriel

why are you still voting Jason?

[Cybertronix]

UNVOTE:

I'll catch up later today.

[Acosmist]

Oh did you mean you won't be sheeping, and voting me?

-Anyways on the PGO thing. Yes In a large theme game like this I would claim PGO as well. That said, as a badass risky scum maneuver (which sometimes ya gotta do) claiming PGO is almost the next evolution of the fakeclaim opening Miller claim. KK did it with success, as did Faraday's(partner under his guidance). Don't know who else or how many failures, but that's irrelevant. To take a subpar partner and give them such a fakeclaim can push them further endgame than the may have. Why auto lynch lylo? And as I was saying. People are onto the Miller fakeclaim. People will analyze and not write that off because people have used it before. I know of no incidents of fake PGO claims. But a PGO claim doesn't just ward off cops like Miller claims. It wards off every single PR out there, (and says scum will never NK me).

Anyways I'm sure this point is made now... Bordem is boring.

Where are you getting the idea I'd be the subpar partner?

Are you confusing me with someone else?

[jasonT1981]

VOTE: Rapidcanyon

Thoughts?

My thoughts on this are quite simple.

Why would you self vote, and ask people their thoughts on it, which all in all is pretty worthless and completely avoid giving your thoughts as to what was already a pretty big topic of discussion going on it the game at the time of your post?

you ask for thoughts on something stupid, yet fail to give your thoughts on anything serious.

And that is my thoughts.

VOTE: rapidcanyon

[Acosmist]

... Letsa...Lets make this a priority please. That's how games progress.

What gave you the impression I wasn't intentionally doing that?

My vote and I are in love.

[Kublai Khan]

A)I didn't really push this. I only questioned the quick town write off. I don't understand how this can be considered mudslinging.
B) In reference to Acomists PGO claim. Basically here he says No trackers/watchers/cops check me out or you'll die. Considering you have experience with early scum fakeclaims. I know Faraday once had a shitty partner of his also fakeclaim MILLER and GO ON TO WIN. I don't see how stating this info isn't worthwild, and certainly not out of nowhere. Moreoever I do have a lingering question for Acomist. I'm actually surprised how quickly you also wrote him off as town. Whats the nice buzz word... White Knighting?
C) Subjective. You might not like to play out guess the mod.. but knowing certain mod history can be beneficial. Some mods hate certain roles and will never use them. (More here, but again lingering question)
D) This is the only arguable "mud-sling".... But it doesn't negate the fact that it read like buddying behind a veil of sarcasm.

A) It's more of a "denying the positive accentuates the negative" type of thing.
B) I never said Acosmist was town. I just said I wasn't going to policy lynch him.
C) I'd rather ignore the mod altogether. Makes things simpler.
D) Well, it's not. I saw a town-tell and a bandwagon formed on it. So I tried to prevent a bad lynch. If that's buddying to you then you have a very broad definition of the word.

-What would be my hypo agenda in devaluing early town reads, and playing up certain paranoia?
--Certaintly you can't be thinking my master plan is to stop town reads from forming... that'd be absurd.
---Paranoia? A million tangents, noone trust noone? Meh... You think I'm aiming to be an early game scum Ring Leader? (Take another gander at the playerlist)

It's possible. I think that you do have the ego to make the attempt.

@KK, what are your thoughts on Zoroaster?

Well, overall it's obnoxious that his name is similar to the otter.
In this game his vote for jasont1981 is bad. Though his reasoning was bad, it seemed kinda earnest I guess. It's too early for a read, he needs to post more.

Why are you role fishing?

flavor fishing. Glad someone else found it to be a scummy post.

It's more than flavor fishing. The VT PM is in the OP. He's PR-fishing.

Unvote
Vote: Yates

[Acosmist]

Why don't all scum just not act scummy?

I think you're missing the point. Whats to stop scum from claiming PGO in a game?

???? When was that point ever made?

The point was that I should have played awesome town in order to get scum and no town roles to target me.

Because, you see

when you play awesome as town

the

town doctor

would certainly never target you.

And this strategy, this retarded strategy of retardation, is something you put your stamp of approval on.

"Yes, Benmage, that is a good idea!"

Ignoring you now.

Yates, I might as well say this now, since we already got the scumclaims I wanted - I wasn't talking about that game. I was talking about DBZ. Remember when you said that no one should counternameclaim Goku? That is precisely what got me onto you - that was objectively a terrible thing to suggest - if we had a counterclaim, we could have been SURE of a scum lynch day 1 or (if we lynched the wrong "Goku") day 2.

In this game here, we have two people saying a PGO should just not claim, somehow magically play really well as town, and get targeted by scum and only scum.

You gonna get on board this? Because my thought is that objectively bad advice is an enormous scumtell. I mean,

it caught the godfather for me in DBZ

.

So yeah, I'm good lynching either one of these guys today.