Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Legacy (Game Over)

[Benmage]

I think it's much

more

concerning that he'd ever think scum would fakeclaim Solid Snake in a Harry Potter themed game in the first place.

Reads to me like he's faking not knowing flavour.

[Kublai Khan]

argh, muck about when its not 2.30am. I really need to sleep.. I feel dead. See you in the tomorrow

This feels like an overlooked piece of information.

I mean, obviously he faked it so he could jump on a post made one minute later to achieve a masterful scum strategy of town-telling to the point where he'd never be considered for a lynch for the rest of the game.

Obviously.

[Benmage]

^Buddying

[Nero Cain]

KK does need to cut out the foreplay and get to the action.

[Kublai Khan]

What's your goal in this game Benmage? Going by your ISO you seem more interested in mud-slinging than trying to make sense of anything.

[Benmage]

What's your goal in this game Benmage?

I hope this was a rhetorical question.

Going by your ISO you seem more interested in mud-slinging than trying to make sense of anything.

*peer* where did I mudsling?

[Kublai Khan]

Going by your ISO you seem more interested in mud-slinging than trying to make sense of anything.

*peer* where did I mudsling?

A) Pushing the idea that jasonT1981 is deliberately faking a towntell.
B) Referrencing the game where I fakeclaimed miller out of nowhere
C) Casting aspersions on the Solid Snake/PGO claim via mod meta
D) Accusing me of buddying for arguing a POV.

Mind you it's only page 3 so the examples aren't full-blown attempts at anything, but there does seem to be a pattern emerging where you're playing up suspicion/paranoia and devaluing any early town reads.

[Benmage]

Going by your ISO you seem more interested in mud-slinging than trying to make sense of anything.

*peer* where did I mudsling?

A) Pushing the idea that jasonT1981 is deliberately faking a towntell.
B) Referrencing the game where I fakeclaimed miller out of nowhere
C) Casting aspersions on the Solid Snake/PGO claim via mod meta
D) Accusing me of buddying for arguing a POV.

Mind you it's only page 3 so the examples aren't full-blown attempts at anything, but there does seem to be a pattern emerging where you're playing up suspicion/paranoia and devaluing any early town reads.

A)I didn't really push this. I only questioned the quick town write off. I don't understand how this can be considered mudslinging.
B) In reference to Acomists PGO claim. Basically here he says No trackers/watchers/cops check me out or you'll die. Considering you have experience with early scum fakeclaims. I know Faraday once had a shitty partner of his also fakeclaim MILLER and GO ON TO WIN. I don't see how stating this info isn't worthwild, and certainly not out of nowhere. Moreoever I do have a lingering question for Acomist. I'm actually surprised how quickly you also wrote him off as town. Whats the nice buzz word... White Knighting?
C) Subjective. You might not like to play out guess the mod.. but knowing certain mod history can be beneficial. Some mods hate certain roles and will never use them. (More here, but again lingering question)
D) This is the only arguable "mud-sling".... But it doesn't negate the fact that it read like buddying behind a veil of sarcasm.

And yes it is page 3. I am waiting for people to check in, and recheck in. I don't think I'm being paranoid. Cautious... fair enough, I don't think there's anything wrong with looking at all angles and to have as much info on pertinent matters as possible.

-What would be my hypo agenda in devaluing early town reads, and playing up certain paranoia?
--Certaintly you can't be thinking my master plan is to stop town reads from forming... that'd be absurd.
---Paranoia? A million tangents, noone trust noone? Meh... You think I'm aiming to be an early game scum Ring Leader? (Take another gander at the playerlist)

[pappums rat]

Votecount 1.1

"You are a Snake which was not created by Nature. You and the Boss... you are from another world... a world that I do not wish to know..." -Vulcan Raven, Metal Gear Solid

jasonT1981 - 4 (Nero Cain, zabriel, Zoroaster, AurorusVox)
Amrun - 1 (Melmond)
Yates - 1 (Cybertronix)
Benmage - 1 (Acosmist)
Acosmist - 1 (jasonT1981)
zabriel - 1 (Kublai Khan)
Nero Cain - 1 (Benmage)
rapidcanyon - 1 (rapidcanyon)
BloodCovenant - 2 (Shahrizai, Yates)
Zoroaster - 1 (ThAdmiral)

Not voting - Kise, BloodCovenant, PeregrineV, Amrun, I Am Innocent, snifit, Tammy

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

The deadline for Day 1 is 10 PM EST on October 29, 2012.

[Acosmist]

Hmmmm.. *train wheels moving*

@Acomists

why did you feel the need to open claiming?

Are you serious?

Anyone who targets me for any reason will die.

This is just standard play for my role, to protect town power roles.

Why

wouldn't

I claim, and immediately?

[I Am Innocent]

Start off with my vote:

vote BloodCovenant

@Blood, do you typically avoid voting during RVS, and the early part of the game? Meta would be great.

@Jason, do you think it is unlikely that pappums would put a PGO in this game?

@KK, what are your thoughts on Zoroaster?

[Acosmist]

Role name is not paranoid gun owner, btw. That's just the effect of it. So anything of the form "Solid Snake wasn't paranoid!" is dumb.

[jasonT1981]

@Jason, do you think it is unlikely that pappums would put a PGO in this game?

UNVOTE:

No, not questioning that. I am not going to get into outguess the mod, especially since it is a large theme and it is too early to even debate what types of crazy to death roles there are in it. I was, mistakenly, questioning the Solid Snake claim

The last time I saw a PGO claim it turned out to be a vanilla town. I actually am thinking if he was scum, Miller would have been his claim instead of PGO. But again, that goes into outguess the mod.. and I hate that, even though I just did it.

Bloody hell. I hate that.

[Benmage]

Why

wouldn't

I claim, and immediately?

Well the reasoning to claim is to protect PRs. dur. +

The reasoning against is now scum won't target you, thus you can't NK any scum who may have targeted you. -

So while we gain a plus with not losing prs unnecessarily... we lose an opportunity to nk scum.

As far as debatable worth of which one could be better would probably be determined on what prs we might have in the game, and or the strength of those PRs.... If we happen to have a Cop (arguably the strongest PR).. Than losing him unnecessarily would be detrimental.

Whereas if we have a very weak town... where you might actually be one of the more powerful roles, not claiming/risking it and nailing a scum could've been the better course. Yada Yada IIoA.

Anywhose, glad to see noone was like zomg Snake must be town, as that is baloney. That said I do appreciate the caveat to your claim, and think you're likely town as result of it + the way you did open claiming is town 101. (which goes back to my accusation of KK for WK something he knew to be town) The caveat being a delayed death. Therefore in an endgame scenario PGO vs final scum. Final scum wins.

[Benmage]

unvote vote I Am Innocent

3 really weak questions. Bad vote. Reads as scum trying to interject themselves into the game and put the spotlight elsewhere.

[jasonT1981]

argh, muck about when its not 2.30am. I really need to sleep.. I feel dead. See you in the tomorrow

This feels like an overlooked piece of information.

I mean, obviously he faked it so he could jump on a post made one minute later to achieve a masterful scum strategy of town-telling to the point where he'd never be considered for a lynch for the rest of the game.

Obviously.

I believe I have often made reference to it being late in my timezone in games.

[Acosmist]

Why

wouldn't

I claim, and immediately?

Well the reasoning to claim is to protect PRs. dur. +

The reasoning against is now scum won't target you, thus you can't NK any scum who may have targeted you. -

So while we gain a plus with not losing prs unnecessarily... we lose an opportunity to nk scum.

As far as debatable worth of which one could be better would probably be determined on what prs we might have in the game, and or the strength of those PRs.... If we happen to have a Cop (arguably the strongest PR).. Than losing him unnecessarily would be detrimental.

Whereas if we have a very weak town... where you might actually be one of the more powerful roles, not claiming/risking it and nailing a scum could've been the better course. Yada Yada IIoA.

Anywhose, glad to see noone was like zomg Snake must be town, as that is baloney. That said I do appreciate the caveat to your claim, and think you're likely town as result of it + the way you did open claiming is town 101. (which goes back to my accusation of KK for WK something he knew to be town) The caveat being a delayed death. Therefore in an endgame scenario PGO vs final scum. Final scum wins.

Whewwwwwwwww boy, my RVS vote is now a real vote.

[Nero Cain]

lets move my RVS vote!!!

vote:Zoroaster

[Acosmist]

lets move my RVS vote!!!

vote:Zoroaster

moving votes? but tunnel vision it the hotness

[Nero Cain]

Jason is likely town and I don't particularly like any of the other three votes on him.

[Melmond]

Jason's "townslip" is null to me. I think it could go either way.

would it make more sense to lynch Acosmist relatively soon (before lets say... day 3), than leave him alive being unconfirmed?

I don't really agree with this, I think we should decide what to do based on how scummy he seems as the days go on. I don't think we should policy lynch him too soon.

[jasonT1981]

Agreed with above, lynch on actions in game... not on policy.

[Acosmist]

Yates: Your opinion on post 63, please.

[jasonT1981]

Could you actually give your views on it please? All you did was quote it and say your rvs vote is now a real one. and now ask for others views.

What about that post makes your RVS vote, real?
What about that post comes across as scummy?
Why did you not give any reasons as to why your rvs vote is now a real vote in your post 66?

[Yates]

Yates: Your opinion on post 63, please.

lol - did you see me reading?

63 looks like a throw away wifom post that isn't worth commenting on [until there are too many]. I won't be sheeping Benmage any time soon, though, that's for sure.

As to your claim? I'll believe you are Town until I see play that suggests otherwise. I think claiming PGO out of the gate is good policy if you are Town and will likely get you killed prior to lylo if you are scum. I know you know this and know you would think through a fake claim based on the one time we were scum together. I hope it works out.