Micro 18: Train Station in Winter Normal Mafia (Game Over)

[McStab]

How is both of us being outraged by Salamence being a power-tool a connection? (Not to mention that, if anything, McStab using my wording is evidence of him trying to create a false one with me rather than a genuine indication of any kind)

Don't flatter yourself, I wouldn't bother trying to connect us by using your language. As far as I can tell, however, there isn't another word for "Blacklist" and unless I'm a poet there's really no need to use different language than "Sala played against his wincondition by self-hammering".

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[DarkLightA]

This must be the worst OMGUS I have seen in a while. How come you haven't suspected me and EPM before we voted for you?

[gorckat]

Vote Count:

McStab: (1)

evilpacman18

DarkLightA: (1)

McStab

Not Voting: (5)

McStab, ChannelDelibird, PMysterious, shos, Malakittens, DarkLightA

7 alive, 4 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline: Monday, Sept 4 @ 5 PM EST
(expired on 2012-09-04 17:00:00)

[DarkLightA]

VOTE: McStab

[Malakittens]

How come you didn't vote McStab prior to suspecting him, DL?

Same OMGUS applies to you both.
Not sure if EPM is scum, I don't see it yet.

Vote: DLA

[ChannelDelibird]

How is both of us being outraged by Salamence being a power-tool a connection? (Not to mention that, if anything, McStab using my wording is evidence of him trying to create a false one with me rather than a genuine indication of any kind)

Don't flatter yourself, I wouldn't bother trying to connect us by using your language. As far as I can tell, however, there isn't another word for "Blacklist" and unless I'm a poet there's really no need to use different language than "Sala played against his wincondition by self-hammering".

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Pretty much. Just illustrating my point.

Reread didn't tell me much apart from that McStab is town and DarkLight is scum.

VOTE: DarkLightA

Got all high-and-mighty on Day 1 when Sala was (RIGHTLY) racking up votes. Looks very much after the flip that he knew Sala was town and was setting himself up to say "I told you so, look how town I am for not falling for that wagon". His McStab vote is pretty terrible - it's not as if there had been any time to establish much suspicion on anyone else. Day 1 was Salamence's day alone, it's no surprise. He's just trying to ride the McWagon home on the back of that mislynch.

[ChannelDelibird]

Oh, hey, Mala came in while I was writing that. So it's Lynch-1. No unvote from me.

[DarkLightA]

Okay, that heated up quickly.

How come you didn't vote McStab prior to suspecting him, DL?

Ehh.. What?? Why would I vote someone prior to suspecting them?

Pretty much. Just illustrating my point.

Reread didn't tell me much apart from that McStab is town and DarkLight is scum.

VOTE: DarkLightA

Got all high-and-mighty on Day 1 when Sala was (RIGHTLY) racking up votes. Looks very much after the flip that he knew Sala was town and was setting himself up to say "I told you so, look how town I am for not falling for that wagon". His McStab vote is pretty terrible - it's not as if there had been any time to establish much suspicion on anyone else. Day 1 was Salamence's day alone, it's no surprise. He's just trying to ride the McWagon home on the back of that mislynch.

I'm sorry that I was annoyed at a person being lynched on page 4. Please forgive me.
Are you saying I'm *wagoning* on McStab? I actually was the *first* person to vote, if you'd care to read.

Oh, hey, Mala came in while I was writing that. So it's Lynch-1. No unvote from me.

This is suspicious. Very suspicious, because of the anti-ninjaing system that's in place on the forum. Why would you read Mala's post, still post after all, and then add the additional post rather than amending your first one?

[PMysterious]

Guys, stop! DarkLightA is Town.

I'm the Jack Of All Trades and I tracked her last night. He didn't visit anyone.

You gotta believe me.

[PMysterious]

Um, whoops. Sorry for the cross-gender DarkLight.

My point is DarkLight can be trusted.

[Malakittens]

Not really. Just because they didn't visit someone one night doesn't exactly mean they didn't make the kill THAT night.

[DarkLightA]

Interesting.

But are you people seriously saying that you supported a 4th page lynch?

[Malakittens]

Sala was acting scummy, so, yes I did support a 4 page lynch on him. He didn't try to make a case on anyone else, he didn't try defending himself as well as he should have.

[ChannelDelibird]

Scum love dealing in absolutes.

[ChannelDelibird]

And yeah, congratulations PM for considering precisely zero of the permutations.

[Malakittens]

Only thing I could see if N was Nk'd because he suspected someone it would be more of CD than anyone else.
Due to that I have a slight FoS raise on him due to it. ^

I don't really see a McStab scum as of yet, but I can be wrong.

[ChannelDelibird]

Are you saying I'm *wagoning* on McStab? I actually was the *first* person to vote, if you'd care to read.

Semantics, not addressing the real point. Doesn't matter a jot if you're the first vote, you're trying to start the wagon.

Oh, hey, Mala came in while I was writing that. So it's Lynch-1. No unvote from me.

This is suspicious. Very suspicious, because of the anti-ninjaing system that's in place on the forum. Why would you read Mala's post, still post after all, and then add the additional post rather than amending your first one?

Because I couldn't be bothered to EBWOP? And I'm entirely comfortable with you being at Lynch-1.

[PMysterious]

I was protecting DarkLight. My tracker was a 1-Shot so I knew it was get lucky and hit a bang or not. Since we're lynching DarkLight, I didn't want Town to make a mistake.

[ChannelDelibird]

I was protecting DarkLight. My tracker was a 1-Shot so I knew it was get lucky and hit a bang or not. Since we're lynching DarkLight, I didn't want Town to make a mistake.

you have uncovered precisely zero information that affects the decision of whether or not to lynch him and have unnecessaily outed yourself. it sounds like this is a tendency of yours of which you should by now be aware and actively considering before you reveal yourself.

[PMysterious]

Hey, Vanillas are equally as important as killing scum. If they aren't important now, when will they be important?

[ChannelDelibird]

YOU HAVE NOT PROVED THAT HE IS VANILLA

[PMysterious]

All right. I would like for you guys to answer as truthfully as possible.

Channel: Are you scum?

DarkLightA: If you aren't Vanilla, what are you and why didn't you visit anyone?

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm not scum. Were you expecting a different answer?

[evilpacman18]

I was gonna post this earlier but then I feel asleep:

Vote Count:

Salamence20: (5)

PMysterious, Malakittens, N, shos, Salamence20

McStab: (1)

DarkLightA

Not Voting: (3)

McStab, evilpacman18, ChannelDelibird

Also relevant: even more connections between McStab and CDB. And notice how McStab did nothing but push the Salamence wagon for the entirety of D1 but never actually voted him.

How is both of us being outraged by Salamence being a power-tool a connection? (Not to mention that, if anything, McStab using my wording is evidence of him trying to create a false one with me rather than a genuine indication of any kind)

Don't flatter yourself, I wouldn't bother trying to connect us by using your language. As far as I can tell, however, there isn't another word for "Blacklist" and unless I'm a poet there's really no need to use different language than "Sala played against his wincondition by self-hammering".

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Pretty much. Just illustrating my point.

Reread didn't tell me much apart from that McStab is town and DarkLight is scum.

VOTE: DarkLightA

Got all high-and-mighty on Day 1 when Sala was (RIGHTLY) racking up votes. Looks very much after the flip that he knew Sala was town and was setting himself up to say "I told you so, look how town I am for not falling for that wagon". His McStab vote is pretty terrible - it's not as if there had been any time to establish much suspicion on anyone else. Day 1 was Salamence's day alone, it's no surprise. He's just trying to ride the McWagon home on the back of that mislynch.

Your case is that he's scum because he refused to participate in a wagon that ended up lynching town? The Mcstab vote isn't terrible, he was a proponent of it while I was V/LA yesterday, so he's not riding anything.
Mala, your case in 104 is just as bad. We're coming out of a 4 page D1 lynch where town quickhammered himself. So how could you POSSIBLY fault someone for not voting in their first D2 post before hardly anyone had posted? Especially since, again,

DarkLightA WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO SUSPECT MCSTAB

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edit - after reading all the recent posts I see that DarkLight has already made this defense. CDB, yours and Mala's "cases" depend on this. How can you possibly dismiss it as not addressing the real point?

shos, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that we have 3 for Mcstab and 3 for Darklight here. I'd love to hear your stance.

Concerning PM, I think there's enough reason to merit leaving Darklight out of the lynch pool for today.

PM, what are all your powers?

I ask because I wanna gauge the possibility of a second town PR existing in the setup and whether, if one exists, a counter claim would incriminate PM. I'm a bit apprehensive to accept this turn of events.

Something feels like PM is being coached but I'm not sure what. Are mods allowed to say whether scum have day talk or not?

[ChannelDelibird]

Your case is that he's scum because he refused to participate in a wagon that ended up lynching town? The Mcstab vote isn't terrible, he was a proponent of it while I was V/LA yesterday, so he's not riding anything.

Putting my case as "he did not participate in the wagon on town therefore he is scum" is misrepresentative. I am voting him because, as I explained, his holier-than-thou I-can't-believe-this-guy-is-on-Lynch-Minus-One despite the fact that the wagon was absolutely the right thing to be happening looks feigned for the purpose of getting towncredit.

His initial suspicion of McStab on Day 1 was based on misreading - if it is still part of his case, I'd like to know, because that just makes him more scummy. It was a failure of reading comprehension and no more. The serious part of the vote is today and that's the behaviour of him riding the circumstances.

Mala, your case in 104 is just as bad. We're coming out of a 4 page D1 lynch where town quickhammered himself. So how could you POSSIBLY fault someone for not voting in their first D2 post before hardly anyone had posted? Especially since, again,

DarkLightA WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO SUSPECT MCSTAB

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edit - after reading all the recent posts I see that DarkLight has already made this defense. CDB, yours and Mala's "cases" depend on this. How can you possibly dismiss it as not addressing the real point?

Again: I am saying "riding the wagon" because he is trying to build a wagon out of uncontextualised circumstance (operating on the fallacious absolute that a speedy Day 1 wagon and/or lynch is always a bad thing). That he is the first person to make the case does not invalidate mine. I am not making an argument out of his

position

on the wagon. I am arguing against its convenient nature.

concerning PM, I think there's enough reason to merit leaving Darklight out of the lynch pool for today.

Apologies, but that's boneheadedly definite.