Open 427: PYP X/Y (Day 7)

[petapan]

Petapan, i expect something from you at some point, you haven't really been doing or saying much as of late.

This is a hard decision right now... i'll get started on that petapan ISO soon.

did you not just see the post i made

i was

trying

to lynch the player i thought was scum and not lynch the players who were, you know, conf-town? and somehow trying to make that clear to you two was like beating my head against a brick wall

i'm going to do VCA of the first 2 days later tonight

[petapan]

Day 1 VCA:

VC 1-2

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(2)-

Ser Arthur Dayne

,

Jal

,

Cobblerfone

(0)-

Contrapposto

(1)- Venmar,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

Hoopla

(1)-

BK201

,
iamausername (0)-

Jal

(0)-

Om of the Nom

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

pieceofpecanpie

(0)-

RachMarie

(1)-

Hoopla

,

Ser Arthur Dayne

(1)- iamausername,
Venmar (3)-

Contrapposto

,

Cobblerfone

,

Arugula

,

Not Voting (4)-

andrew94

, Elmo TeH AzN,

pieceofpecanpie

,

RachMarie

,

VC 1-3

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(2)-

Ser Arthur Dayne

,

Jal

,

Cobblerfone

(1)-

andrew94

,

Contrapposto

(1)- Venmar,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

Hoopla

(1)-

BK201

,
iamausername (0)-

Jal

(1)-

Hoopla

,

Om of the Nom

(0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

RachMarie

(1)-

pieceofpecanpie

,

Ser Arthur Dayne

(1)- iamausername,
Venmar (3)-

Contrapposto

,

Cobblerfone

,

Arugula

,

Not Voting (2)- Elmo TeH AzN,

RachMarie

,

VC 1-4

andrew94

(1)-

pieceofpecanpie

,

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(2)-

Ser Arthur Dayne

,

Jal

,

Cobblerfone

(2)-

andrew94

,

Contrapposto

,

Contrapposto

(1)-

Cobblerfone

,
Elmo TeH AzN (1)-

BK201

,

Hoopla

(0)-
iamausername (0)-

Jal

(3)-

Hoopla

,

Om of the Nom

, Venmar,

Om of the Nom

(0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(0)-

RachMarie

(0)-

Ser Arthur Dayne

(1)- iamausername,
Venmar (1)-

Arugula

,

Not Voting (2)- Elmo TeH AzN,

RachMarie

,

VC 1-5

andrew94

(1)-

pieceofpecanpie

,

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(1)-

Ser Arthur Dayne

,

Cobblerfone

(2)-

andrew94

,

Contrapposto

,

Contrapposto

(1)-

Cobblerfone

,
Elmo TeH AzN (1)-

BK201

,

Hoopla

(2)-

Arugula

,

Jal

,
iamausername (0)-

Jal

(4)-

Hoopla

,

Om of the Nom

, Venmar, iamausername,

Om of the Nom

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

pieceofpecanpie

(0)-

RachMarie

(0)-

Ser Arthur Dayne

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

RachMarie

,

VC 1-6

andrew94

(1)-

pieceofpecanpie

,

Arugula

(1)-

Hoopla

,

BK201

(3)-

Ser Arthur Dayne

,

Om of the Nom

,

Jal

,

Cobblerfone

(2)-

andrew94

,

Contrapposto

,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

Hoopla

(2)-

Arugula

,

Cobblerfone

,
iamausername (0)-

Jal

(3)- Venmar, iamausername,

BK201

,

Om of the Nom

(0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(0)-

RachMarie

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

Ser Arthur Dayne

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

RachMarie

,

VC 1-7

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(1)-

Hoopla

,

BK201

(3)-

Om of the Nom

,

Jal

, Elmo TeH AzN,

Cobblerfone

(1)-

Contrapposto

,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (2)-

BK201

,

pieceofpecanpie

,

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(2)-

Arugula

,

Cobblerfone

,

Jal

(2)- Venmar, Pressed Bunson,

Om of the Nom

(0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(1)-

andrew94

,
Pressed Bunson (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

RachMarie

,

havingfitz

,

early game VCA isn't particularly useful in any way - wagons are all too small

VC 1-8

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(1)-

havingfitz

,

BK201

(4)-

Om of the Nom

,

Jal

, Elmo TeH AzN,

Hoopla

,

Cobblerfone

(1)-

Contrapposto

,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (2)-

BK201

,

pieceofpecanpie

,

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(2)-

Arugula

,

Cobblerfone

,

Jal

(2)- Venmar, Pressed Bunson,

Om of the Nom

(0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(1)-

andrew94

,
Pressed Bunson (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

RachMarie

,

vote on elmo by pecan is interesting. need to look it up, but scum often do early game distance-votes on their teammates when they don't think the wagon will take off.

VC 1-9

andrew94

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

Arugula

(1)-

havingfitz

,

BK201

(2)-

Jal

,

Hoopla

,

Cobblerfone

(0)-

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(3)-

Arugula

,

Cobblerfone

,

Contrapposto

,

Jal

(3)- Venmar, Pressed Bunson,

BK201

,

Om of the Nom

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

pieceofpecanpie

(0)-
Pressed Bunson (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (3)-

RachMarie

,

pieceofpecanpie

,

andrew94

,

VC 1-11

andrew94

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

Arugula

(1)-

havingfitz

,

BK201

(2)-

Jal

,

Hoopla

,

Cobblerfone

(0)-

Contrapposto

(2)-

RachMarie

,

andrew94

,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(3)-

Arugula

,

Cobblerfone

,

BK201

,

Jal

(2)- Venmar, Pressed Bunson,

Om of the Nom

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

pieceofpecanpie

(0)-
Pressed Bunson (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

pieceofpecanpie

,

Contrapposto

,

(There is no VC 1-10, see for yourself)

VC 1-12

andrew94

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

Arugula

(1)-

havingfitz

,

BK201

(0)-

Cobblerfone

(2)-

Hoopla

,

Jal

,

Contrapposto

(2)-

RachMarie

,

andrew94

,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(4)-

Arugula

,

Cobblerfone

,

BK201

,

pieceofpecanpie

,

Jal

(1)- Pressed Bunson,

Om of the Nom

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

pieceofpecanpie

(0)-
Pressed Bunson (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

Contrapposto

, Venmar,

VC 1-13

andrew94

(2)-

Om of the Nom

,

BK201

,

Arugula

(1)-

havingfitz

,

BK201

(0)-

Cobblerfone

(1)-

Hoopla

,

Contrapposto

(2)-

RachMarie

,

andrew94

,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(3)-

Arugula

,

Cobblerfone

,

pieceofpecanpie

,

Jal

(1)- Pressed Bunson,

Om of the Nom

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

pieceofpecanpie

(1)-

Jal

,
Pressed Bunson (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (2)-

Contrapposto

, Venmar,

VC 1-14

andrew94

(2)-

Om of the Nom

,

BK201

,

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(0)-

Cobblerfone

(0)-

Contrapposto

(1)-

RachMarie

,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(1)-

Arugula

,

Jal

(0)-

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(6)-

Jal

,

Hoopla

, Elmo TeH AzN,

Cobblerfone

,

andrew94

, Venmar,

RachMarie

(1)-

havingfitz

,
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (3)-

Contrapposto

, petapan,

pieceofpecanpie

,

here we see the pecan wagon rising

VC 1-15

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

Cobblerfone

(0)-

Contrapposto

(1)-

RachMarie

,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(1)-

Arugula

,

Jal

(0)-

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(6)-

Jal

,

Hoopla

,

Cobblerfone

,

andrew94

, Venmar, petapan,

RachMarie

(4)-

havingfitz

,

Contrapposto

,

BK201

,

Om of the Nom

,
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

pieceofpecanpie

,

what the VCA snapshot misses is that wagon falling and the rach wagon rising but you can see elmo gets off and is pushing a go-nowhere vote on BK201 while venmar stays on and I swing a majority onto the pecan wagon and off the rachmarie wagon.

VC 1-16

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

Cobblerfone

(0)-

Contrapposto

(1)-

RachMarie

,
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Hoopla

(1)-

Arugula

,

Jal

(0)-

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

pieceofpecanpie

(8)-

Jal

,

Hoopla

,

Cobblerfone

,

andrew94

, Venmar, petapan,

Contrapposto

,

BK201

,

RachMarie

(2)-

havingfitz

,

Om of the Nom

,
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

pieceofpecanpie

,

but at the same time it's worth noting cobblerfone was fairly ready to bus pecan there. hrm. need to look into how that wagon went.

[petapan]

day 2 is much shorter for VCA

VC 2-2

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(3)- Venmar, petapan,

Om of the Nom

,

BK201

(2)- Elmo TeH AzN,

havingfitz

,

Cobblerfone

(1)-

Arugula

,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (5)-

andrew94

,

BK201

,

Cobblerfone

,

RachMarie

,

Contrapposto

,

VC 2-3

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

BK201

(2)- Elmo TeH AzN,

havingfitz

,

Cobblerfone

(4)-

Arugula

, Venmar, petapan,

BK201

,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(1)-

Cobblerfone

,

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

RachMarie

(0)-
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (3)-

andrew94

,

RachMarie

,

Contrapposto

,

VC 2-4

andrew94

(0)-

Arugula

(0)-

BK201

(0)-

Cobblerfone

(2)-

Arugula

, Venmar,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(0)-

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

RachMarie

(3)-

Contrapposto

,

havingfitz

, petapan,
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (6)-

andrew94

,

RachMarie

,

Om of the Nom

, Elmo TeH AzN,

BK201

,

Cobblerfone

,

VC 2-5

andrew94

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

Arugula

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

BK201

(0)-

Cobblerfone

(4)-

Arugula

, Venmar,

BK201

,

andrew94

,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(1)-

RachMarie

,

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

RachMarie

(3)-

Contrapposto

,

havingfitz

,

Cobblerfone

,
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (1)- petapan,

VC 2-6

andrew94

(1)- Elmo TeH AzN,

Arugula

(1)-

Om of the Nom

,

BK201

(0)-

Cobblerfone

(6)-

Arugula

, Venmar,

BK201

,

andrew94

, petapan,

Contrapposto

,

Contrapposto

(0)-
Elmo TeH AzN (0)-

havingfitz

(1)-

RachMarie

,

Om of the Nom

(0)-
petapan (0)-

RachMarie

(1)-

havingfitz

,
Venmar (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

Cobblerfone

,

but yeah I have to say this pretty much makes venmar look town here seeing as he'd be pretty suicidal to hard-bus his other remaining partner on day 2 when he didn't even know what other PRs were in play (I think the vote came before the MC, need to check)

[petapan]

leaning elmo-scum, want to see him come back and post.

[Venmar]

I did a short ISO on Petapan, and i'm still wary on his jump on the two biggest wagons during Day 1. I'm also curious as to why PetaPan was so sure and positive that Arugula and Cobbler made no sense as scum. Although i do apologize for being so obtuse and blindsighted with the Klick situation... it was bad play on my part to not pay full attention to that.

I can't decide right now... but i am leaning on Elmo for now. I'll do a bit more in depth ISO on Petapan later, i kind of skimmed right now.

Still can't shake off Elmo's near suicidal behavior last few days.. I usually see it as a town tell than a scumtell.

[petapan]

i don't think the fatalism he displayed is a towntell. it seemed halfhearted.

[Venmar]

Going to wait for Elmo to ACTUALLY SAY SOMETHING.

[petapan]

mod: can we get a prod on elmo and/or an extension?

[petapan]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 6&sr=posts

it's 1 day to deadline

[Elmo TeH AzN]

What. I'm lazy really leaning Peta scum. But see Venmar as scum as well

[petapan]

is that all you're going to say

[Elmo TeH AzN]

I can add more. Really it's a mess and I'm phoning this in.

[Scott Brosius]

Slight extension to

9/28 at 8pm EST

, only because I won't be around the computer at initial deadline

[petapan]

i really want to vote elmo on policy alone right now

[Venmar]

What's stopping you.

[petapan]

haven't built up the confidence yet

[Venmar]

Well that's the first time i've seen such reasoning.

[petapan]

if i were completely confident i'd be voting

[petapan]

reading and making a vote when i wake up tomorrow

[Venmar]

It's currently 7:40pm here, Sept 27. Seeing as the deadline is exactly in about 24 hours and 20 minutes ( assuming i am on the same timezone approximately to that of Scott's ), i am going to give Elmo until midday tomorrow to make a post and give me his thoughts before I throw down a vote and risk the fate of town right there and then. I need to know what you're thinking Elmo, if you're town you got to help me trust and believe you, otherwise i will just vote you.

Still kind of 50/50 town on who to vote, hopefully the following hours and a goodnight sleep will help me make the decision tomorrow.

@ Mod: What timezone are you in? I want to know if my assumption until deadline matches yours

[Elmo TeH AzN]

Really I'm leaning peta

[Venmar]

Really I'm leaning peta

- Try harder.

[Scott Brosius]

Deadline is in EST.

[petapan]

i stalled on doing this i know but rereading is difficult and i'm in a bad mood right now and don't want to make a decision because of it

[Venmar]

Petapan your vote delay and reasoning is concerning to me.