[REVIEW] Open Setup Reviews
-
-
Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- Posts: 15146
- Joined: July 17, 2013
- Location: Texas
Technically not mafia, despite being hidden information (there's no informed minority). EV is exactly 50% if you change it to 3:3:3 and probably plays out similarly to BoP Mafia. (50/50 in each hood so all right and all wrong are equally likely, 50/50 in the final trio). There is a slight townsiding influence in that the IC in the second round knows at least one hood chose wrong, but it's not really useful from a POE stance because they don't know which one or whether said player is even in the final grouping.
For reference, BoP is observably balanced, but has a third townsiding faction instead of the ICs.
Notably: you could have a separate queue for the IC roles to allow players to self select whether they want to be in that role.
Also notably: the EV remains unchanged for every setup where the size is n:n:n.This is a Parachute.-
-
Irrelephant11 HeJack of All TradesHe
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 6276
- Joined: April 9, 2018
- Pronoun: He
- Location: My dog's eyes
I think making it 3:3:3 would make it mafia and make it easier to fill, so this is good feedback!In post 1225, Jingle wrote:Technically not mafia, despite being hidden information (there's no informed minority). EV is exactly 50% if you change it to 3:3:3 and probably plays out similarly to BoP Mafia. (50/50 in each hood so all right and all wrong are equally likely, 50/50 in the final trio). There is a slight townsiding influence in that the IC in the second round knows at least one hood chose wrong, but it's not really useful from a POE stance because they don't know which one or whether said player is even in the final grouping.
For reference, BoP is observably balanced, but has a third townsiding faction instead of the ICs.
Notably: you could have a separate queue for the IC roles to allow players to self select whether they want to be in that role.
Also notably: the EV remains unchanged for every setup where the size is n:n:n.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
-
-
RH9 he/himMafia Scumhe/him
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 2907
- Joined: November 15, 2019
- Pronoun: he/him
- Location: Epping, New South Wales, Australia
I agree.In post 1226, Irrelephant11 wrote:
I think making it 3:3:3 would make it mafia and make it easier to fill, so this is good feedback!In post 1225, Jingle wrote:Technically not mafia, despite being hidden information (there's no informed minority). EV is exactly 50% if you change it to 3:3:3 and probably plays out similarly to BoP Mafia. (50/50 in each hood so all right and all wrong are equally likely, 50/50 in the final trio). There is a slight townsiding influence in that the IC in the second round knows at least one hood chose wrong, but it's not really useful from a POE stance because they don't know which one or whether said player is even in the final grouping.
For reference, BoP is observably balanced, but has a third townsiding faction instead of the ICs.
Notably: you could have a separate queue for the IC roles to allow players to self select whether they want to be in that role.
Also notably: the EV remains unchanged for every setup where the size is n:n:n.
Though, if keeping it at 12 players is preferred, 4:4:4 is also a good idea.-
-
TemporalLich Grand Scheme
- Grand Scheme
- Grand Scheme
- Posts: 5804
- Joined: January 30, 2019
- Location: A Lost Timeline
Mostly posting this to see if anyone would want to create a Dark Creature setup... here is 2d3 but with Dark Creatures:
I doubt this would be balanced, and maybe the Lightbearer ability should be weakened to simply preventing plunging into darkness.time will end-
-
Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- Posts: 15146
- Joined: July 17, 2013
- Location: Texas
Factional poisoner instead of kill is one of those roles that supports an evens setup, so this might be better off as an 8p or 10p. Otherwise, the play for D1 is probably optimally to no elim with no discussion, which is just kind of feels bad. It looks pretty close to runnable as an 8p, which is a setup number we don't have a ton of options for anyway, but would need significant tweaking imo to be a 10p.
This is probably slightly more scumsided than regular 2D3 as an 8p (very slightly more likely to lim scum D1, slightly less information netted N1, same phases to victory math), not sure how the stats on that shake out.This is a Parachute.-
-
GrandpaMo HeMafia ScumHe
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 4889
- Joined: December 31, 2020
- Pronoun: He
- Location: do people ever use this for their actual location lol
how do yall think of this setup. this would be classified as bastard i believe.
so the setup would be this.
Open Setup
Players:5 (3 town, 2 mafia)
Mechanics:Nightless but with 24 hour twilight where mafia has another check. However I think this should be played in blitz mode. 1 hour days / 30 min nights?
Town:
2 x Vengeful Townie (Martyr)
1 x Miller
Mafia:
2 x Head Start Informed Cop
Vengeful Townie:Just a VT, but when condemned they have the opportunity to shoot another player with them.
VT that is sided as mafia. Both Mafia are informed about this role.
Miller:
Bastard Mechanic:Both Town roles will be given a normal VT role instead, they do not know if they are a vengeful townie or miller.
Head Start Informed Cop:Mafia are uninformed to each other (no mafia pt/daytalk). Mafia is informed about miller's identity. Submits a pregame alignment check.
Town Wincon:Martyr shoots mafia cop or condemn mafia cop.
Mafia Wincon:Mafia cop condemns miller.
Basically the point of this setup is to have the two mafia cops check in pregame to find each other. This is the point of the setup; for mafia to find each other and win by wanting to condemn the miller.
How to win:In the pregame phase, the cops will check so they can receive a guilty result. If they receive a guilty result, they found their mafia partner and can help soft that to their partner during the day but they can't make it obvious. They have to basically tell their partner that hey I know who the miller is so listen to me.
The main goal for mafia is to push the miller out because if they do that, they auto win. but if both mafia push, it will be obvious to the martyrs who the possible mafia is. Martyrs can try to fake being a mafia cop by pushing someone or softing but the other martyr might get suspicious of that. If mafia fails to get miller but instead get martyr, this is only town's second chance if martyr can shoot correctly. If they do, they go to day 2, with 2 martyrs, 1 miller, and 1 mafia. Now mafia just has to play smart here and has another chance.
Now this can be played with either alignment reveal or role reveal off. Role reveal will be more difficult but way more fun. It is preferred to play it RR off because if they condemn mafia, town won't know if its patsy or mafia and mafia has a better chance at winning as solo scum.
Just to make you aware, this is a ported mafia setup as a VC setup that I think will be very fun here-
-
GrandpaMo HeMafia ScumHe
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 4889
- Joined: December 31, 2020
- Pronoun: He
- Location: do people ever use this for their actual location lol
i plan on modding this btw ^-
-
Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- Posts: 15146
- Joined: July 17, 2013
- Location: Texas
Looks reminiscent of WNAF.
60% town ev, which is kind of high, but not outrageous given game size. Perfect EV if you add a Miller and have mafia win if they both survive N1.Last edited by Jingle on Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:39 am, edited 1 time in total.This is a Parachute.-
-
Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- Posts: 15146
- Joined: July 17, 2013
- Location: Texas
Also, bastard doesn’t really mean much in the context of opens. Everyone knows the bastard element so they don’t need a warning.This is a Parachute.-
-
GrandpaMo HeMafia ScumHe
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 4889
- Joined: December 31, 2020
- Pronoun: He
- Location: do people ever use this for their actual location lol
60 isnt bad but what is WNAF?In post 1232, Jingle wrote: Looks reminiscent of WNAF.
60% town ev, which is kind of high, but not outrageous given game size. Perfect EV if you add a Miller.-
-
GrandpaMo HeMafia ScumHe
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 4889
- Joined: December 31, 2020
- Pronoun: He
- Location: do people ever use this for their actual location lol
ah ok gotchuIn post 1233, Jingle wrote: Also, bastard doesn’t really mean much in the context of opens. Everyone knows the bastard element so they don’t need a warning.-
-
Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- Posts: 15146
- Joined: July 17, 2013
- Location: Texas
WNAF is we need a fifth. 2 maf 2 town setup that’s usually popular around marathon times.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ed_A_Fifth
Technically not mafia by modern standards because no informed minority, I think, but fun nonetheless.Last edited by Jingle on Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:43 am, edited 1 time in total.This is a Parachute.-
-
Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- Posts: 15146
- Joined: July 17, 2013
- Location: Texas
-
-
GrandpaMo HeMafia ScumHe
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 4889
- Joined: December 31, 2020
- Pronoun: He
- Location: do people ever use this for their actual location lol
what happened to marathon mafia? when do those usually get up because this setup is better for thatIn post 1236, Jingle wrote: WNAF is we need a fifth. 2 maf 2 town setup that’s usually popular around marathon times.-
-
GrandpaMo HeMafia ScumHe
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 4889
- Joined: December 31, 2020
- Pronoun: He
- Location: do people ever use this for their actual location lol
also any title suggestions?-
-
Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- Posts: 15146
- Joined: July 17, 2013
- Location: Texas
Marathons are usually don 2-3 times a year around holidays. TBone schedules them, but there’s usually on in feb and one in novemberThis is a Parachute.-
-
GrandpaMo HeMafia ScumHe
- Mafia Scum
- Mafia Scum
- Posts: 4889
- Joined: December 31, 2020
- Pronoun: He
- Location: do people ever use this for their actual location lol
ok thanks ill just mod it in micro then probablyIn post 1240, Jingle wrote: Marathons are usually don 2-3 times a year around holidays. TBone schedules them, but there’s usually on in feb and one in november-
-
Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- Posts: 15146
- Joined: July 17, 2013
- Location: Texas
You could also run it in the discord if you had enough people around, although people don’t often actually use the discord play games role.This is a Parachute.-
-
Invisibility he or sheJack of All Tradeshe or she
- Jack of All Trades
- Jack of All Trades
- Posts: 5911
- Joined: April 17, 2018
- Pronoun: he or she
does the first part of the ability refer to the roleblock?In post 1228, TemporalLich wrote: Lightbearer protects from plunging into darkness, and also prevents a death from plunging into darkness.Invisibility is actually AWESOME!-
-
TemporalLich Grand Scheme
- Grand Scheme
- Grand Scheme
- Posts: 5804
- Joined: January 30, 2019
- Location: A Lost Timeline
if a Lightbearer protects you from being plunged into darkness, you don't get roleblocked or poisoned.In post 1243, Invisibility wrote:does the first part of the ability refer to the roleblock?time will end-
-
Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- Posts: 15146
- Joined: July 17, 2013
- Location: Texas
To clarify, if lightbringer and plunge both target X on N1, X is neither roleblocked nor set to die N2. If Lightbringer targets x N2 after plunge targets X N1, X is roleblocked N1 but will not die N2. Correct?
This was my initial understanding, but I think it is a more clear way to make it explicit if other people were confused.This is a Parachute.-
-
TemporalLich Grand Scheme
- Grand Scheme
- Grand Scheme
- Posts: 5804
- Joined: January 30, 2019
- Location: A Lost Timeline
That is indeed how the lightbearer worksIn post 1245, Jingle wrote: To clarify, if lightbringer and plunge both target X on N1, X is neither roleblocked nor set to die N2. If Lightbringer targets x N2 after plunge targets X N1, X is roleblocked N1 but will not die N2. Correct?
This was my initial understanding, but I think it is a more clear way to make it explicit if other people were confused.time will end-
-
Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- Posts: 15146
- Joined: July 17, 2013
- Location: Texas
I never did weigh in on that setup, but my thoughts are that it's a bit townsided as is. My suggestion would be to split ordinator and lightbringer so that one blocked a kill attempt made the same day and one blocked a kill attempt made the next day. Particularly because the case where exist seems to be the worst offender and also because my issue with the setup is that it seems too likely that a kill would be stopped.
I don't think it's unplayably townsided as is though.This is a Parachute.-
-
TemporalLich Grand Scheme
- Grand Scheme
- Grand Scheme
- Posts: 5804
- Joined: January 30, 2019
- Location: A Lost Timeline
Ordinator (which is a placeholder name) is intended to be the Jailkeeper equivalent for Dark Creatures.In post 1247, Jingle wrote: I never did weigh in on that setup, but my thoughts are that it's a bit townsided as is. My suggestion would be to split ordinator and lightbringer so that one blocked a kill attempt made the same day and one blocked a kill attempt made the next day. Particularly because the case where exist seems to be the worst offender and also because my issue with the setup is that it seems too likely that a kill would be stopped.
I don't think it's unplayably townsided as is though.
for a nerf, I'd probably make the lightbearer and ordinator only protect from plunging into darkness, instead of also clearing the "poisoned" lingering effect. (i.e. a lightbearer won't prevent a N2 death if they target a player on N2)time will end-
-
Jingle For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- For Whom the Bell Trolls
- Posts: 15146
- Joined: July 17, 2013
- Location: Texas
I think there is an interesting split in design in having one role be able to save on same night targeting and one only on night after targeting, is my point. I understood the original intent. I agree that your change would also have the desired effect, though.This is a Parachute.
Copyright © MafiaScum. All rights reserved.