Open 329: Mayo Clinic D3: Town WINS!

[glowball]

BBmolla, I sure hope at the end of all this you have good reasoning or that you are an alt of someone I've already blacklisted because it isn't in my nature to want to blacklist newbies

[Maruchan]

Even with the mafia doctor in the doctor pool, if his protectee dies, then he gets lynched.

As per the rest of them, THEY'LL ALL BE ON THEIR PROTECTEES, so none of them will die

A hur da dur

[izakthegoomba]

We are now talking in circles. I am pretty sure none of us active posters have anything more to do than reiterate our points. glowball won't budge, and neither will we. I guess we wait for the others to check in, then go ahead with the lynch.

[glowball]

So what happens when one of the vigs doesn't kill their target? either that person is Mafia or their target is SK?
WRONG Mafia Doctor could choose protect someone just so that they don't die to frame another player

Also, iirc BBMolla first said that Doctor's wouldn't be protecting anyone from that pool now he's going with the Doctor Train so now you are directing the doctors to protect specific people? You are making it too easy for scum seriously because guess what EVENTUALLY you'll have to find the MafiaDoctor in that pool of doctors and if he doesn't choose to kill his own target and instead mafia keep killing who their fake vig claim is supposed to kill then they've got virtual confirmed status.

[Maruchan]

So what happens when one of the vigs doesn't kill their target? either that person is Mafia or their target is SK?
WRONG Mafia Doctor could choose protect someone just so that they don't die to frame another player

Also, iirc BBMolla first said that Doctor's wouldn't be protecting anyone from that pool now he's going with the Doctor Train so now you are directing the doctors to protect specific people? You are making it too easy for scum seriously because guess what EVENTUALLY you'll have to find the MafiaDoctor in that pool of doctors and if he doesn't choose to kill his own target and instead mafia keep killing who their fake vig claim is supposed to kill then they've got virtual confirmed status.

no. if 4 vigs claim, al lfour die or get lynched.

No vig stays with confirmed status unless both mafia and the SK are dead.

Also, if mafia doctor choses to protect someone just to cause scumy vibes, and the someone that was SUPPOSED to kill the protected someone DOESN'T DIE, then the person attackign the someong attacking hte protected someone is scum, so we lynch him.

the only difference your situation of mafia doctor WIFOMing does, is instead of the target getting NKed, they get saved and day-lynched

[Maruchan]

I could expalin the whoe lthign out but it is realyl long and pointless. If you;d liek me to I will, if not, then trust me. It'll work.

[glowball]

Go for it. Day by day please...

[BBmolla]

We are now talking in circles. I am pretty sure none of us active posters have anything more to do than reiterate our points. glowball won't budge, and neither will we. I guess we wait for the others to check in, then go ahead with the lynch.

This.

I could expalin the whoe lthign out but it is realyl long and pointless. If you;d liek me to I will, if not, then trust me. It'll work.

And this.

[glowball]

Go for it. Day by day please...

you forgot this...

[Maruchan]

Spoiler: Option A

2 Vigs Claim.
V V

D D D D D D MD G G SK

Set up two doctors to protect the vigs. Or hell, even 4 if you'd like.

Tell the rest to protect randomly, based on scum-vibes.
Tell vigs to shoot based on scum-vibed.

WORST-CASE scenario:
4 doctors die

V V

D D MD G G SK

setup 2 from doc pool to protect the vigs, if either vig dies, you know which doctor is fake.

WORST CASE SCENARIO:
2 doctors die, 2 scum/1 scum1SK die.

V V

G G

So we ONLY Lose in the absolute worst-case scenario here. Which is a highly unlikely scenario

Spoiler: Option B

3 vigs claim.

V V SK/G

D D D D D D MG G G/SK

VigA shoots VigB shoots VigC shoots VigA.

D1 doc D2... and so on.

Vig a DOESN'T DIE, VIGB VIGC DO: lynch vigA

two die and only 1 flips vig, LEAVE LIVING VIG AND DOC PROTECT HIM. Why? If either idiot vig didn't claim in the first place, scum deserve to win.

I don't feel like workign it al lout ,but this scenario works.

4 or 5 vig claism works like this too.

I got lazy. they all work. Trust me.

[glowball]

OKay I said day by day- I want to see how it works when you lynch a vig or a doc Day 1 EACH DAY PHASE and Night Phase

[Maruchan]

hun.

it works.

Do you really want me to waste five fucking hours of my life to prove it to you just so you can feel good?

If you answer yes

SUPER DUPER CONFIRM VOTE OF FUCKING SUPERNESS ON GLOWBALL

You aren't that important (no offense of course I love you♥)

[glowball]

Well, I guess we won't know until end game. I too await to hear what others say, and if they side with you guys and this town pulls out a win I will eat my words and apologize- but I think in worst case scenarios especially considering those of you speaking are obviously horrible with reads or you're scum

[Maruchan]

I want to see from the people that haven't posted yet.

Guys, this is going to be a very content-filled post-whoring game. If you aren't OK with that warn me. I tend to post like shitcrazyloads.

[BBmolla]

Okay, did some research.

My idea isn't original.

It was suggested in this game:
Open 99
Town said it was a bad idea and proceeded to lynch the vig. Two docs died that night, they then lynched mafia. Two more docs died, a doc was lynched, and then mafia won.

I really think Vigs claiming would benefit us more than hurt us. Doctrain would lengthen town's lifespan a ton.

[PiggyGal15]

Okay, note to self, check in multiple times a day for this game...

I agree with vigs claiming, there's a lot greater chance of town winning with the vigs claiming, then if they stayed silent.

Now, glow, I can only think of three reasons why you don't want to go along with vigs claiming,
1) You're a vig and you don't want to die by having a circle of shootings ending with helpful info for the town... yeah, not sure why you would think that, which makes me think,
2) You're the SK, and you don't want to claim being a vig and going through with the circle of killing only so that you stay alive for D2, and we all lynch you, a little more likely, except for the fact that the SK doesn't have to claim.
and of course, 3) You're scum and the plan is just too pro-town for you to find a way so that scum can still win.

There just isn't a reason why you would be so against vig claiming if you were a doc.

VOTE: glowball

[glowball]

As much fun as that spoiler game sounds I think it'd be too chaotic for me.

1 - experience: Completed one newbie game and one newbie ongoing right now. I play IRL all the time.

2 - philosophy: I agree with glowball. Having a vig claim wouldn't help much.

You sheeped my idea about NOT, and now that you've seen me get voted for it your tune changes and you place an opportunistic vote

YOU
ARE
SCUM
VOTE: PiggyGal

[ToastyToast]

Yayyy somone new posted so everyone started to party
While TT was busy not being here, he came back to see that NO VOTES HAD CHANGED and as such he couldn't come up with any new flavor.

But then, something happened and a pig (female) walked in.

glowball: yeah guys we need to see if ppl agree with me.
maruchan: I know right? Why are only four people talking and everyone else staring at us?
....waiting time...
PiggyGirl15: I DONT AGREE
*gasp*
glowball: YOU #%@$$^@
*gasp*
The two ladies began to dramatically slap each other.
The guys secretly enjoyed it.

Vote Count #4

glowball (5) - Maruchan, VitaminR, BBmolla, izakthegoomba, PiggyGirl15 (L-2)
Mega (0) -
pinkfloyd (0) -
PiggyGal15 (1) - glowball
izakthegoomba (0) -
BBmolla (0) -
VitaminR (1) - Thomith
Thomith (0) -
Maruchan (0) -
Quaroath (0) -
neil1113 (0) -
whispersilk (0) -
No Lynch (0) -
Not voting: Mega, pinkfloyd, PiggyGal15, Quaroath, neil1113, whispersilk

It takes 7 to lynch and 6 to no lynch!

[BBmolla]

Yes to Vig Claims:

izak
Maru
BBmolla
Piggy

No to Vig Claims:

Glow

btw, I'm not counting initial vig claim responses, so if you still agree with them, post again to reiterate.

Oh and keep in mind that glow is at L-2 guys, I don't want ANY mishammers(meaning hammer without a claim) and you will be lynched if it happens.

[glowball]

Does it matter what I claim? You want to lynch me anyway, no matter what my alignment is because I WILL NOT go with your plan. SO why do you need my claim first?

[Maruchan]

if we all agree to go along wit hthe plan.

and yo uclaim vig.

DUNA NUNA NUNA NUNA NU NU

our plan succeeds.

then if yo udont die tonight we lynch you tomorrow

[glowball]

OH but wait... I could lie when I claim so I'll just stick to not claiming AT ALL. Even at L-1. You guys just get to hammer me because I am over this nonsense

[Maruchan]

OH but wait... I could lie when I claim so I'll just stick to not claiming AT ALL. Even at L-1. You guys just get to hammer me because I am over this nonsense

and if you DID lie and claim vig, you'd die tonight in the vig lineup, and if you didn't, we'd lynch you tomorrow

FOOLPROOF

[glowball]

YOU ARE ALREADY LYNCHING ME TODAY--- are you slow?

I already asked what is the point of me claiming anything? I won't claim anything because you guys will lynch me no matter what...

[izakthegoomba]

I don't think Piggy's turnaround means much. When the question was first posed, there was little implication of where it was going, and how useful it could be.

Obviously, I will keep an eye on Piggy, but it does nothing to take my attention off of glow.