The Brave and the Beautiful 2: Fairy Tales ÔÇô Game Over

[Lady Lambdadelta]

RC says he has been locked out of his main account (he pmd me on an alt).

He says he's getting Mith to reactivate it soon?

[Albert B. Rampage]

vla goofbash

[Fate]

Same

Vote: ABR

LETS CONTINUE OUR RAGEFIGHT AND FIGHT OUT IF WERE BOTH TOWN

[havingfitz]

So are we on a general hold in this game until the 2-3 people at goofbash feel like participating?

We could carry on without them. Radical suggestion I know.

And they seem to have some access so who knows...maybe they'll chime in between if there are any breaks in the drunken revelry.

[Fate]

You could play a game and scumhunt WITHOUT everyone participating?

HOLY FUCK FITZ YOUVE IMPROVED SO MUCH

[havingfitz]

You could play a game and scumhunt WITHOUT everyone participating?

HOLY FUCK FITZ YOUVE IMPROVED SO MUCH

Try paying attention FATE.

I'm efforting to get a little conversation going with the non-goofbash v/LAers but it doesn't seem to be working. Have one for me.

[Iecerint]

I think the more significant problem is that the Mod still apparently doesn't exist.

[ReaperCharlie]

HOLY FUCK FITZ YOUVE IMPROVED SO MUCH

First warning.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

HOLY FUCK FITZ YOUVE IMPROVED SO MUCH

First warning.

If this is the level of things you're going to be giving "warnings" for RC, I'm afraid this game is going to need a lot of replacements.

[ReaperCharlie]

Rule 10 is perfectly clear.

Also, Fate and I had words in PM pre-game. He knew what he was getting into.

[ReaperCharlie]

The Brave and Beautiful Vote Count

1.0

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Iecerint [3] – bv310, havingfitz, SpyreX

Albert B. Rampage [1]

– Fate

Amrun [1]

– kunkstar7

bv310 [1]

– Amrun

Fate [1]

– Kdub

havingfitz [1]

– Iecerint

kunkstar7 [1]

– ooba

Robocopter87 [1]

– Robocopter87

Not Voting

– Albert B. Rampage, Kast, Lady Lambdadelta

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With 13 players alive, it is 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline is July 1 at 12pm PST (3pm EST).

[ooba]

Fitz, wagon kunstar with me .. That should get things rolling ..

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Kdub

[Amrun]

Yay RC is alive!

[bv310]

Kdub is town
Robo is town

Kunstar is scum

I trust this man.

unvote, vote: Kunkstar

[Iecerint]

HMMM

Vote: Fate

[ReaperCharlie]

Yay RC is alive!

...said the person who tried to kill me off.

[Kdub]

I'll bit and see where this goes.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: kunkstar

[ooba]

Given LL's vote
- was not on kunstar
- And avoided the current biggest wagon (Iece)
+
Iece's vote on Fate

I feel confident enough to make an early scum team call of {kunstar, Iece, LL}.

[Fate]

Lol I forgot about the rule already

<_<
>_>

Vote: Iecrint

Claimed scum voting me

[Iecerint]

Nah, I voted Fate because I think he's somewhat more likely to be scum than kunk, and I don't really think fitz is scum. Need to see more from him before I comment further.

P-edit: lol

The reason I voted Fate was that his early posts are focused on discrediting players rather than legitimately prodding people about game-related things. Having played scum with Fate many times (and town Fate), this is something I've noticed.

I think it is a little bizarre if Ooba thinks that scum doesn't want to fake-bus on irrelevant early wagons. It's probably a little bit more bizarre that Fate didn't reflect very critically on that, though (i.e. he'd normally mentally reflect, comment minimally if at all, then do his thing).

[Iecerint]

Upon further reflection:

I love Fate with all my heart and would never ever vote him like that in a million years as scum (possible exception being that we were scum together, which is not the case this game) for a couple of reasons:

1. I am an expert at keeping Fate from lynching me. Refer to SE3 where I did this as town and Inception where I did this as scum.

(Corollary to 1: The best way to keep Fate from lynching you is to sheep him, not vote him. This is also the best way to lynch him late game, if you must, though this is pretty theoretical, I think. I suppose it kinda happened in MetaMafia, but there were extenuating circumstances there.)

2. I like playing with Fate and err on the side of doing so where it's possible.

3. I don't like the stress of driving the ship as scum, so I prefer to keep a handful of (wrong) competent town players in the running so that they can win the game on my behalf. Refer to Kdub's SE Gaiden game for a recent example of that, though it didn't work out quite as intended because we kept being vigged. (We did eventually shoot Fate N3 IIRC, but it was because of his "awesome PR" highlighting and our strongman kill.)

So Fate is too friendly to me AND risky and too much my boyfriend and too potentially useful for me to push as scum early on, unless there were extenuating circumstances, etc.

/self-meta

Irrelevant self-meta IFF you think my vote for Fate was actually random-given-non-kunk (as per ooba's stated inference) AFAIK.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Given LL's vote
- was not on kunstar
- And avoided the current biggest wagon (Iece)
+
Iece's vote on Fate

I feel confident enough to make an early scum team call of {kunstar, Iece, LL}.

Cool, this means I can ignore your posts for the remainder of the game, since they're going to be as crap as this one was.

I mean, you're calling scumteams on Page 2? What makes you confident enough to be able to do that? What connects us together, beyond the fact that I chose not to vote for either of the two you're calling scum with me?

And why exactly do I need to add my vote to either of the two biggest wagons in RVS?

[Robocopter87]

Given LL's vote
- was not on kunstar
- And avoided the current biggest wagon (Iece)
+
Iece's vote on Fate

I feel confident enough to make an early scum team call of {kunstar, Iece, LL}.

Cool, this means I can ignore your posts for the remainder of the game, since they're going to be as crap as this one was.

I mean, you're calling scumteams on Page 2? What makes you confident enough to be able to do that? What connects us together, beyond the fact that I chose not to vote for either of the two you're calling scum with me?

And why exactly do I need to add my vote to either of the two biggest wagons in RVS?

UNVOTE: Robo

I'm intrigued by your reaction to his post. He posted a simple idea scumteam from the information thus far in order to show his opinion and get things rolling.

And you blast out at him. Yes, nailing a scumteam so early on isn't very probable but that doesn't mean he shouldn't start scumhunting.

I dislike your reaction to his post.

And because this post puts you brightest on my scumdar right now I'll vote you.

VOTE: Lady L

On another note,

The scumteam of Kunkstar, LL, and Iece seems a little far fetched.

Though LL's reaction was scummy and I do think she is scum, I don't see any connection with her to the other two you called scum, ooba.

So, my thoughts.

• LL's reaction to ooba's post == scummy
  
• Ooba's scumteam doesn't make much sense to me.
  
• But even though it doesn't make sense, LL is still scum

[Iecerint]

I think the link ooba presented is unusually facile relative to what he usually comes up with. I mean, it's valid, if not sound, but I would expect something more sophisticated from him one way or another. Not sure I've ever played with ooba scum, though.

I have the same impression as you re: LLD's post, but I think she may've done something similar as town in [REDACTED]. It's also weird that she totally ignores what I just posted. Moreover, her "attack" on Ooba looks made-up...the scummy part isn't "calling scumteams" per se IMO, but using uncharacteristic methods to deduce them.